Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx0331xxd7xo

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Can we seriously look at the impact of anti semitism now?

No. I didn't say that

Also, most hate incidents, don't get reported, not just antisemitism.

And yes, I have been the victim of racism, many times, and didn't report most of them. Don't presume to know anything about me please

Would you mind please explaining what you meant then, as this is how it came across to me?

I didn’t? sorry - I meant you have no lived experience of antisemitism - I can see that I was not clear. I am assuming you are not a visibly religious Jew. Apologies if you are, it did not come across that way!

The definition of antisemitism to include any questioning of the state of Israel, along with other examples that don't apply to other races,

Stop making things up. This is complete misinformation spready by people like you and others on here whose whole shtick is 'can't say anything these days without being called an antisemite' or 'I suppose I'll be accused of being antisemitic for saying that'. Some more obvious than others, but we can see what you're doing.

Sadly of course antisemitism is increasing

You're not sad about it at all, you're actively feeding it, across multiple threads.

We also have an increase in hateful bots on social media stirring the pots and encouraging this division.

Something about people in glass houses.

I meant what I said. There is no reading between the lines or assuming anything other than what I said.

Sorry! I meant 'other races' as in if we're comparing hate figures, it is quite often racial. I did not mean to imply that Jewish is a race. Of course there are Jewish people of all races. Apologies for that.

@EllaDisenchanted you're not going crazy, your interpretation is exactly what they said. That anti-Semitism figures are up because people get accused of antisemitism for criticising Israel. The poster doesn't seem to be particularly bothered with the fact that this isn't actually true. They're purposely minimising antisemitism on a thread about antisemitism.

I think it's slightly more complicated than that! Genocide cannot be supported whoever does it. You can think that and also know anti-Semitism is wrong. All the Jews on the marches are testiment to that.

https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2024/02/15/antisemitic-incidents-report-2023

"A further 2,185 potential incidents were reported to CST that are not included among this report’s statistics as, upon investigation, they were not deemed to be antisemitic. Many of these incidents involve suspicious activity or possible hostile reconnaissance at Jewish locations, criminal activity affecting Jewish people and buildings, and anti-Israel activity that did not include antisemitic language, motivation or targeting."

So anti-Israel very much not included in any kind of antisemitism statistics.

We also have an increase in hateful bots on social media stirring the pots and encouraging this division.

I was just thinking exactly that.

I’m not trying to read between the lines or put words in your mouth or pick a fight. You said
The definition of antisemitism to include any questioning of the state of Israel, along with other examples that don't apply to other races, mean that this will inflate the official numbers of antisemitism reported. So any figures will be inflated to include things that are not directed at a person or race, but at a government instead.
which straight out reads that numbers of incidents of antisemitism are inflated by conflation with criticism of Israel. ie the numbers are not as high as we are saying they are.

actually rereading my second sentence (that it’s therefore not as bad I.e the numbers make out it’s worse than it is) , you are right, you didn’t say that. It’s just that this criticism has been leveled at Jewish posters so frequently on this board, that we use cries of antisemitism to shut down discussion about the war, which is apparently “diluting” the severity of antisemitism ( sorry can’t remember who said that), that I automatically thought that was what you meant.

Is this minimising antisemitism?

"Sadly of course antisemitism is increasing"

You really are determined to just pick apart my posts.

We can't just ignore the rest of your post when determining wether or not you're minimising antisemitism. That'd be incredibly foolish. So on a whole, yes you are minimising the severity and frequency of anti-Semitism. Not quite sure why but I'm sure your agenda will soon become apparent.

Do you know why the definitions of antisemitism include things that don't apply to discrimination against other races?

It's because antisemitism doesn't take the same form as other forms of racism. Other races don't have conspiracy theories about them secretly controlling the world, for example.

Still waiting on acknowledgement that criticism of Israel isn't actually considered anti-Semitic, @HelenHen .

I'm not denying the numbers will be high. I'm saying that all hate figures are high right now. It's the ugly times we live in.

But you are suggesting that they are overinflated.

Other races?

Yes, I was explaining it in the same language that you used.

Well if it isn't, that's great! But I've been accused of being antisemitic many times for criticising the State of Israel and its actions in Palestine. To the point that I believe it must be! And yes, I'm fully versed on the definition of antisemitism.

You needed to be to get your attack in on Keir Starmer's wife.

Which I apologised for, because I didn't mean to imply that 'Jewish' was a race. I got told off for it, accepted that's how it came across and apologised that I had mis-worded

I said it was 'win win' for a woman for her husband to make money AND to support her family in another country. I didn't even mention that she was Jewish. If she wasn't Jewish I would still say that about a politicians wife.

Like I said last night, totally disingenuous.