Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx0331xxd7xo

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Can we seriously look at the impact of anti semitism now?

What I was suggesting was that it is completely understandable to not expect Jewish citizens to criticise Israel, but if people- any person- minimises the actions of IDF or settlers, this create a sense that their actions are actually being condoned.

According to many, many posters on here, anything but argreeing that Israel is committing genocide is "minimisation" though.

No of course not. I am not condoning extremism. To be Jewish - wherever you may live- must be frightening at this time. To hurt innocent people in any situation is deplorable.

That is true - and genocide is a high bar. But there have also been some who don’t think see actions of the IDF as being morally wrong. And this can be extremely demoralising when it’s also a person in power.

Can I just say adding to a conversation earlier that when this was happening to Muslims in the early 00’s - ie an expectation form some quarters to answer for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, being racially profiled by police etc (and it was really bad at one point, Islamophobia shot through the roof) - from my memory the Jewish community were a very good ally to Muslims and called out hate and racism and stood with them side by side. As did many other communities.

I do have to say I feel that as a Jewish person i feel now the world has turned onto us, that we are very alone and fighting within our own small community albeit with a number of very adored allies. But I don’t think I see whole communities rallying to protect us.

Why is that doing Jews a disservice? Why are Jews - many of whom live in countries which are not israel - to be identified with him? Why are the pronouncements of one self serving politician being offered as evidence that accusations of anti semitism are disingenuous?
so many questions. So much flawed thinking. Underpinned by prejudice.

Umm but people were(are) afraid of Muslims because a lot of people claiming to be Muslims were blowing things up and doing other gruesome stuff.

I don't think people are scared of Jews. I think the silent majority can see what's happening. They just too scared to say anything.

the marchers and social media shriekers are a vocal minority with nothing better to do. The sensible majority live their lives either ignoring them or feeling quietly contemptuous. I realise that might not be very comforting for the Jewish community, though

I agree people in power need to be careful what they say.

Saying something to your OH in your living room is very different to using a powerful platform to say it to the masses. But to punish every day citizens for the actions of those powerful people, is having a grievance with the entirely wrong group.

I agree. I don't think Americans living in other countries are held responsible for Trump , or Russians for Putin . Why are Jews who are not even citizens of Israel at risk because of something Netanyahu says. It is anti semitism. Obviously.

Yes, punish Netenyahu, not British Jews!

People seem to be saying 'Yes, antisemitism has been around for thousands of years and Hitler did try to exterminate them all less than a hundred years ago, but THIS TIME it's different and they actually deserve it' instead of considering whether it's just same-old same-old Jew hatred and all those people for thousands of years probably thought they deserved it too.

I know but it was nothing to do with the Muslim 70yo lady on our corner and the grandchildren who were suddenly subject to racism at school.

I ageee with you about the silent majority. I also think people are far less neighbourly now too

Thanks @Dulra for providing some evidence. I couldn’t be bothered to go back through events and list examples. It is clearly there for those who are willing to see it.

I am sorry YaMuvva. I have been thinking of how vulnerable Jewish citizens must feel given increase in antisemitism and now this thankfully thwarted attack.

So much this. The best description I’ve heard yet of the sickness that seems to have gripped some - I firmly believe a minority - in this country.

But why should Jews in this country be at risk because of something Netanyahu says?

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Also when we have been exiled in the past, it was largely centred around a collective blame of Jewish people for some issue or other, and a propoganda to make us look like WE are hateful and deserves what we got.

We are again, being collectively blamed.

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yes, for those who are willing to identify all of Jewry with the statements of a self- serving Israeli politician, I suppose it is evidence. His help those people though, and his save the rest of us from them.

That should be « god » not « his ». You know what I mean.

This 💯 %

hats off to @Polka83 for her apology . It doesn’t happen very often on here .

It's not being minimised here
It's just not the right place 😕
Are jew not allowed to express their worries over terrorist plots here in theik or their fears. Seems not.

Unless you're someone who thinks women wearing short skirts are partly at fault if they get sexually harassed, I'm not sure why you'd think Jews are partly at fault for antisemitism.

It's a pretty fucking stupid thing to be (repeatedly) suggesting.

Agreed!! It shows that perfectly fine posts can be misinterpreted and it’s always better to check