Why aren’t the people protesting against Israel calling for Hamas to disarm and disband?

[LargeAmericano]

Surely that will force Israel to immediately stop the war?

They will not be able to continue if their aim of dismantling Hamas is achieved and the hostages are returned.

This is surely the best outcome for the Palestinian people?

Seriously victim blaming? Pretty callous attitude and a blatant attempt to deflect and minimise the war crimes and murders being carried out by the IDF.

Exactly. It's more of a parallel to the situation in Palestine than people even realise. We made "peace" but there was no learning or acknowledgement.

There we are @Lampy123678. He’s also had a platform at the UN. I’m sure you’ll find an issue with that platform too

Extremely lazy argument to brand someone a bigot because you don’t agree with their opinions, and can’t be bothered to/don’t have the brain capacity to, see something from a different viewpoint.

That previous link I posted is Mosab Yousef giving his own views and experience of living under Hamas not Jordan Peterson’s. No surprise you don’t want to watch it though.

I've been wondering this. What the men in Hamas did was sickening.

@Dulra
Israel was the victim on 7th October

Thank you but I've just been reading his twitter and this man is outright calling for the assault on Rafah and says Palestinians aren't owed a defence. I honestly find his quotation marks around Palestinian victims disgusting considering how many children have been murdered. I assumed in good faith you were sending me an intelligent argument about why posters should be focusing on calling for Hamas to disband as a way to help the Palestinian people. This guy doesn't care about them at all?

Never said they weren't but that doesn't mean innocent Palestinians are not victims now. They have been killed in their thousands, displaced and on the brink of famine. Their suffering is unimaginable, a living nightmare so I don't understand how people can be so dismissive of this. It is cruel and inhumane

@Dulra
Agreed the suffering on both sides has been tragic.

Israeli/British hostage killed hours after Hamas released a video of him alive.

And people support these evil creatures.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13407165/Hamas-announce-British-Israeli-hostage-killed-Gaza-just-hours-raising-familys-hopes-releasing-video-alive.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline

Is it too simple to wonder why the Palestinians don't force an election, and to not vote for hammas in that election ?

Is it too simple to wonder why there are protests re Israel are performing at Eurovision, when it was Hammas that invaded where the Israelis were living, killing them and taking hostages.

When Russia invaded Ukraine, the ' world ' / ' everyone ' was on the Ukraine's side, why isn't the ' world ' / ' everyone ' on Israel's side

Because OlderGlaswegian , More people are now aware that Palestinians have been living under a brutal occupation, where the occupier is now facing genicide charges.

Read what I put, in no way am I saying Israel does not kill people in the West Bank, nor the West Bank kill Israelis, but Hamas in Gaza are different to to Palestinians in the West Bank and while they hold power in Gaza, nothing can change

Israel have responded, after October 7th, in a way that has caused the loss of many thousand civilian lives. About half of the population of Gaza was under 18; it was obvious that many of these would be children.

The governments of the West (especially the US) certainly don't want the collapse of the state of Israel, which is one of Hamas' key objectives and generally they have been supportive of Israel, and acknowledged that any state would want to take action after the murders, rapes and hostage-taking etc.

However, Netanyahu has not been following advice from the US, especially in invading Rafah, with the potential for many more civilian deaths there.

Israeli forcibly removed Palestinians from their homes in 1947 or to use your terminology invaded the Palestinians in 1947.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba#:~:text=The%20roots%20of%20the%20Nakba,few%20Palestinian%20Arabs%20as%20possible.

You mean Israel had to blockade Gaza as a hostile territory when they elected a terrorist government whose mandate is to annihilate Israel.

Israel left Gaza in 2005.

Why are people so invested in this conflict? They're both vile.

Because a thousand wrongs don’t make a right.

That’s a fair point - it can be read a lot of ways. I suppose I read it that people felt oppressed under British rule and felt that there was no alternative to violence during the troubles. Not that they justify everything the IRA did.

I’m Irish so I do fully understand the history.

My point was in response to someone saying the Palestinians support Hamas. The Northern Ireland situation is different but there are some lessons from the peace process in the north nonetheless. Oppression and inequality leads to violent groups being formed.

I don’t see this war as a conflict between ‘victim’ and ‘oppressor’. I’m sure there is fault with the IDF, but equally I don’t think all the deaths are the ‘fault’ of the Israelis.

Pointing out that the Palestinian leadership may be responsible for some of the carnage due to the methods they use is just rational.

Millions of people were displaced after the war including Jewish people from Middle Eastern countries. I wonder why other Arab countries have not offered displaced people from that region a home? (Just as millions of others had to move elsewhere).

I agree

Edited to add that innocent people are suffering and both the Israeli and Hamas government are responsible . There are just endless circular arguments on these threads .

Evidence please.

This is a bit out of date but may answer your question -

https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

Oh thanks @Tripeandonionsthat is helpful . It is my understanding that Palestinians were offered 50% + of the land after the war but refused to share with Israel. Then several surrounding states waged war on Israel and lost. So as happens in all winners in wars Israel increased their territory. So I can't see how there will be a palestine state?

This is the new anti semitic trope that’s getting going, hot on the heels of October 7th denial, and holocaust denial before that.
its a deeply weird mindset.