Why aren’t the people protesting against Israel calling for Hamas to disarm and disband?

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Surely that will force Israel to immediately stop the war?

They will not be able to continue if their aim of dismantling Hamas is achieved and the hostages are returned.

This is surely the best outcome for the Palestinian people?

Happy to listen. What's the link?
Edited to add - no other right wing bigots please, any actual journalists?

Do you enjoy your right to vote? Do you know how you got it? That's right, by people yelling and screaming on the streets, by writing in newspapers ( no social media at the times) and generally making a nuisance of themselves.
I am pretty sure that many, at the times, would have outraged by this type of behaviour, the way you are outraged at the "pro Palestinian contingent".
But we are here, and I am quietly confident that there are many more of us than there are of the other sort.
Oh dear.
British attitudes to the Israel-Gaza conflict: May 2024 update | YouGov

They’d be wrong because I clearly stated all religions and gave examples of Christianity being problematic.

This! And I’m amazed it needs to be explained!

This... at the heart of things

A poll came out in recent times in Northern Ireland that 70% of republicans believe there was no alternative to violence against British rule. There is peace today because of the peace process of course.

People change - things change. A step to peace is to show Palestinian people that there is a way to achieve a good, safe secure life, in their own state through political means. Not just saying well if they want peace they shouldn’t support Hamas. Palestinian’s aren’t living the high life in the West Bank either.

I’ve been on marches to demonstrate my disdain that initially the EU, the UK and the US didn’t call for restraint when Israel first went into Gaza. They should have had a much stronger response when aid was cut off for starters. That is a war crime.

International law protects us all and international governments should always call out countries that commit crimes against humanity whether they are friends or foe. The result has been horrifying now.

The western world immediately condemned Hamas attacks. If we were living in some alternate reality where these governments had said “Hamas are only defending themselves. It’s unfortunate that israeli civilians were killed , maimed raped and kidnaped but what else could they do “ I would also be marching against that!

Or a very human way of thinking?

I don’t think so, ime it’s more human to be tired of the bloodshed and want it to end as opposed to seek revenge.

A poll came out in recent times in Northern Ireland that 70% of republicans believe there was no alternative to violence against British rule. There is peace today because of the peace process of course.

the peace process worked because most people wanted the violence to stop. A lot of initial support was lost when terrorists switched to softer targets.

Exactly. Sums it up. We expect a certain standard from a government we call our allies and are helping fund or support in some way . It wouldn’t make sense to march against Al-Quaeda etc unless our government start funding arming and legitimising them of course. And on the subject of Hamas and hostages can we talk about the heaps of young adults imprisoned in Israeli jails for doing things as minor as throwing stones?

This whole business didn’t just start on October 7th and it’s intellectually dishonest to ignore the entire context of what’s happening there and why.

What are you saying? That the Palestinians don’t want to leave peaceful lives. I think most of humankind want to live safe and secure lives.

My point is that 70% of republican’s still think that the violence was necessary. I was surprised by that myself. But it shows me that it was the peace process itself which showed republicans that they could continue to achieve their goal of a united Ireland through political, peaceful means.

That is also very human, I agree. But I don’t blame people caught up on both sides of this conflict for people they perceive as fighting ‘for them’.

Sorry I am confused by your post @mollyfolk. Are you disagreeing re my point that the peace process didn’t come about because the population had had enough of the violence and innocent deaths?

I completely agree with it. They had enough of the violence. Yet when questioned now they still believe it was necessary.

I wasn’t sure what your argument was.

70% of republican’s still think that the violence was necessary

As a Republican Im surprised at that too, could you link to that data? I’m interested to see the context.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/seven-in-10-nationalists-agree-with-michelle-oneill-that-there-was-no-alternative-to-iras-campaign-of-violence-new-poll-reveals/41924287.html

‘‘Twas a very big fuss at the time. It shows how fragile peace is.

Slightly off topic, but it's so interesting to me how every comparison using Northern Ireland mentions the IRA and their violence and that the UK government had to negotiate with them. No one mentions the violence and the bloodshed from the side supporting the British state. No one mentions the UVF. No one mentions the black and tans despite the shared history of them in Ireland and Palestine. I'm not picking at your for this btw sorry just using your post as a springboard. But I think its interesting that even with hindsight, we talk as though violence existed in a vacuum so it's no wonder some posters look at current events and can't see the violent crimes of the occupiers but they can see it from the occupied.

The article says 70% of nationalist voters within NI which you isn’t the same as saying 70% of republican’s still think that the violence was necessary

The poll was about the statement “violent resistance to British rule during the Troubles” which isn’t that same as still think that the violence was necessary Its fairly ambiguous tbf What counts as violent resistance to British rule? Resisting arrest or internment? Illegal marches & protests? As the article you linked says Some are taking this as a justification of republican (i.e. IRA) violence and terrorism during the 'Troubles' but I don’t think you can necessarily infer that that is what people are agreeing with. When civilian deaths increased the IRA lost a lot of support particularly in the republic.

@Lampy123678 its because many people in England have no understanding of the Troubles. It is framed very much from the perspective of the IRA terrorising the mainland. The loyalist terrorism wasn’t really covered here likely to the collusion with the British Government.

And it's important to remember that the troubles started after the civil rights marches because Catholics were not given the save rights when it came to housing and employment as protestants. Lack of rights fed into the nationalist movement and strengthened the IRA. Whose to know if they had equal rights and opportunities back in the 60s would any of it had happened? Lesson there for Israel oppressing people doesn't work

Many people think it was just a religious war, that’s why I think the “violence was necessary” comment is far too vague because a lot of people won’t necessarily understand what that violence actually looked like.

I agree OP that the way a lot of people talk about the war it is as if it only one side is involved. Every death or injury is assumed to be the fault of the Israelis rather than the fault of the Palestinians. As if people imagine that the Israeli army is meeting no resistance and can just decide to stop the war unilaterally.

”fighting to gain back their homeland and resist occupation”

Are you saying Hamas actions on Oct 7th were not terrorist acts but ‘resisting occupation’? Do you support Hamas?

’The images coming out of Gaza’ etc. Again, why is it assumed that Israel is solely responsible for all this suffering? We know Hamas use human shields and generally make no effort to protect their population.

711 IDF soldiers killed vs close to 40,000 civilians. Yes Hamas are firing pretty ineffective rockets into Israel but there has been little evidence of resistance on the ground

Every death or injury is assumed to be the fault of the Israelis rather than the fault of the Palestinians.
So Palestinians are killing each other. What are you trying to say?