Pro-Palestine activists stage Gaza protest during 'March of the Living' walk to Auschwitz on the Holocaust Remembrance Day

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13387247/Outrage-pro-Palestine-activists-stage-Gaza-protest-anti-Semitism-March-Living-walk-Auschwitz.html

Agree to disagree @EmpressOfTheThread . I've had comments where I've disagreed with the Israeli government/Netanyahu murdering civilians including children deleted as being antisemitism.

If you can't criticise a ruling party over how they choose to govern then that's ridiculous

Because I’ve seen on a lot of terrible behaviour on pro-Palestinian marches. And I’m certainly not forgetting that large protests were organized in the immediate aftermath of the torture and slaughter of Israelis. Thise were not ‘support both sides marches’. It rather set the tone.
And this was a large group of protestors, all joining in, and certainly no one amongst them reining them in and saying ‘this is not okay’.

Sorry,( nor sorry), but I now think it’s more a case of a few good apples amongst a whole load of bad.

I have no idea what has been deleted on previous threads. I am assuming there was a valid reason for the deletion on this thread.

There has been enough anti-semitism no associated with these marches to make it broadly reasonable to assume that those not distancing themselves sympathise with it. That’s my assumption anyway, and I’ve not been wrong yet.

And it’s somewhat a false equivalence to compare an entire diverse country of people to the more homogenous group of people united by a particular cause and whose specific I am critiquing in support of that cause.

And anyway, just look at all the barely disguised anti semitism of people here with their ‘good Jews / bad Jews’ narrative.

So dishonest. No I’m not calling into question Israel’s right to exist - while doing so with everything else you say. You must think the rest of us are as addled as you.

No you haven't, you've had comments deleted because they were antisemitic and hate speech like yours breaks MN Talk guidelines. It's not some grand Zionist conspiracy to censor your criticism of the Israeli government.

@Scautish
but there was absolutely no right for the non-indigenous Jews to displace and ethnically cleanse Palestine and claim it as theirs. Absolutely no right whatsoever.

"Absolutely no right whatsoever".

Honestly can't believe I've just read that, on this thread no less. Whatever you think about the creation of Israel, it's jaw-dropping that you're ascribing this amount of agency to refugees who'd just escaped Nazi extermination (leaving behind how many murdered members of their family) like they had any fucking choice. If that's how you feel about these so-called "non-indigenous Jews" it says a lot about your general hostility towards Jewish people.

Plenty of examples on here where anti-Zionism crosses into antisemitism quite seamlessly.

@Marjoriefrobisher

i am absolutely unashamedly stating that Israel DID NOT (please note past tense) have a right to any land 100+ years ago. Just as Britain had no right to call any of its colonised countries part of its realm. I stand by my comment that historically Israel had no right to take the land from the Arabs.

but given the horrors of WW2, and need for Jewish people to live in peace I would not displace a single Jewish person from the original borders of Israel. So that means Israel needs to continue to exist and I support that.

i do however wish every last Israeli settler was removed from the West Bank. Every single one. And I hope the murdering ones are prospected to the highest possible extent allowed by law - but that won’t happen will it?

Agree. Most posts on here about concerns over anti semitism are hijacked by the terrorist sympathising mob. There are so many threads where they can rant in their own echo chambers, but no, they’re always on the prowl to jump on any thread where they can push their vitriol.

Also, @TrudyProud , that you chose to pipe up with this little gem -Just as wearing a Star of David doesn't mean you are pro genocide of Palestinians is breathtakingly revolting. Equating the most recognisable symbol of Jewish identity with genocide in this way, particularly because it was used during the Holocaust to identify Jews for the purpose of the genocide of Jews, on a thread about a display of antisemitism outside Auschwitz on Yom Hashoah- I'd say it's unbelievable but unfortunately, it's entirely predictable.

Absolutely zero surprise that protestors targeted this event.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/pro-palestinian-protest-at-holocaust-museum-sparks-fierce-backlash/ar-AA1m45vk

https://www.jta.org/2023/11/03/global/london-holocaust- library-defaced-in-latest-incident-of-pro-palestinian-graffiti-on-jewish-site

Goodness. More terrible false equivalence.

And what’s more these protestors were not randoms, holding a random flag.

They were explicitly there as pro Palestinians holding signs explicitly supporting Palestine.

The positive out of it is that a lot of people previously sympathetic to the palestinians are turning away.

V inappropriate to protest at this event, but this does not impact my wish for the IDF to stop massive bombing and killing of Gazan civilians.

I just don't know how people can actually do that. I really don't.
It's gone beyond a protest about a war, hasn't it?
So distressing.

Breaking news is that Hamas, kindly and accommodating souls that they are, have agreed to a ceasefire deal put forward by mediators. What will these saturday and Auschwitz jobbing protestors do with their time if this gets put through…..

Good.

What will these saturday and Auschwitz jobbing protestors do with their time if this gets put through

Be glad I imagine that the killing will stop at least for a while.

I completely agree. It’s hard to take the ‘anti-semitism is so wrong’ sentiment as sincere from so who actually thinks it’s ok to talk like they are in a thread like this.

It’s pretty bloody obvious where their sympathies lie and it’s certainly not with the humanity of Jewish people. Or they’d respect that humanity on here by reigning themselves in on this thread.

I had a colleague last week tell me that Israel had occupied Gaza since 1948! He was a bit shocked when I told him about Egypt! All sorts of misconceptions and wilful ignorance going on, which is worrying.

@TrudyProud disgusting and ill thought out.

Brilliant article for those interested.

blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-war-against-the-jewish-story/

Thank you. And for those whi are still banging on about Jews as colonisers this is still relevant & excellent

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

That's a really interesting article, thank you @stomachamelon .

So disgusting

as someone has already pointed out, others suffered in the Holocaust, not only Jews. What an abhorrent way to protest.
anyone who supports this disgrace needs their heads wobbled.