Pro-Palestine activists stage Gaza protest during 'March of the Living' walk to Auschwitz on the Holocaust Remembrance Day

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13387247/Outrage-pro-Palestine-activists-stage-Gaza-protest-anti-Semitism-March-Living-walk-Auschwitz.html

Israel exists because of the Holocaust. These "protesters" have the gall to go to the place where so many Jews were put to death and call for the eradication of Israel and, by extension, Jews in the middle east. Absolutely disgusting behaviour and shameless and blatant anti semitism.

Are people really saying stuff like "the Holocaust was awful but.." these days and thinking that's ok? Wtaf

Yes...appalling isn't it. It was deleted though.

Israel does not exist because of the Holocaust. There was a well established colonising Jewish occupation of Palestine well before WW2. I’m sure you are aware of the 1917 Balfour Agreement and the Zionist movement driven by Chaim Weissman in the early 1900s? UK more than happy to help it’s formation so it had a friendly state next to Suez Canal which was vital for its access to Indian - “the jewel in the crown”

i have no doubt the Holocaust expedited the formal declaration of the country but as you are also probably aware there were Jewish terrorist groups such as the Irgun carrying out terrorist attacks in Jerusalem and London during WW2 to encourage Britain to end its “mandate”.

I have been to Auschwitz with the Army as an Officer Cadet and I will never forget how cold and horrible that area felt, I'm not a superstitious person or who believes in 'woo' but it holds a horrible, foreboding air, to be there where all that death occurred with such horrible intent, I can't even believe.

I’m sorry, but where I live the pro-Palestinian protestors treated absolutely disgustingly six older Jewish men and women who were making a silent stand against ant-semitism. All of them. Real gleeful hatred as they screamed at them.

It was appalling. I no longer have any belief in the goodness of the people on these weekly pro-Palestinian protests . That spectacle killed it off.

Something else was said that was deleted. I do not think I am allowed to repeat what was deleted as I might be in contravention of MN talk guidelines but it was not a comment about the flags.

There’s a time and a place and as appalling as Zionism and the Israeli government is, this probably wasn’t it.

Huh? Unless this happened to be a group of Palestinians walking around on holiday and carrying a flag (seems unlikely, I'd say) then for anyone else to go to the trouble of getting hold of a flag of a foreign country does seem to suggest that they are pro-that country.

Unfortunately we have seen a lot of antisemitism from pro-Palestine protesters (no, not all befire you start on me) which is why this doesn't surprise me at all.

Ok @Nolongerher

you are now stating it is fair that you assume all pro-Palestinian protesters are bad but at the same time presumably you would condemn someone who said all Israelis are bad because of actions of IDF and the Government?

so why do you get to condemn an entire group based on a minority of (deplorable) actions yet I would (rightly) be accused of being antiSemitic if I group together all Israelis?

there are terrible and evil pro-Palestinian supporters

there are terrible and evil defenders of the Israeli government.

Zionism is not appalling. What is wrong with you? It is simply the belief that the Jews have a right to a homeland like all other people on this planet. The Jews are indigenous to the holy land.

Depending on your particular interpretation of anti Semitic.That accusation is often thrown around falsely on this forum.

If a comment was deleted then it can't have been used falsely.

Go on, give a false example....

The Holy Land - or Palestine - was only around 5% Jewish in the late 19th century. These were Mizrahi Jews. 90% of the remaining population were the indigenous Arabs, most of whom were Muslim.

but there was absolutely no right for the non-indigenous Jews to displace and ethnically cleanse Palestine and claim it as theirs. Absolutely no right whatsoever.

whilst I do not wish to see a single Israeli evacuated from the original land which was deemed to be Israel in 1948, I think the land was taken from indigenous Palestinians who are still - very understandably - upset about how many were murdered and displaced by the new Israeli state (ie the Nakba)

even after expanding borders in 1948 and then again in 1967, stealing more land, it is still trying to claim even more by wiping Gaza off the map as well is the constant building of new settlements in the West Bank.

OP while I am glad you shared this article, I'm sorry to say that I don't think this board is a safe space for this kind of conversation. Some of the posts above are tone-deaf at best (generous interpretation).

@Scautish you can't give a history of that region in a couple of paragraphs, seriously. I studied it at university and it took a lot of reading, research and quite a few lectures and seminars. It is very complicated indeed and it does annoy me when people try to reduce it like this.
Whatever your opinion.
This thread is about the protests at that Jewish memorial event.

So you're one of those people who thinks Israel was established by exclusively white Jews?

Good god, go and do some reading about when, why & how the Jews were expelled or forced to leave the Holy Land long before 'the end of the 19th century'. This thread is not about arguing about the rights of Jews in land of Israel. Have some decency & respect.

Yes it is very complicated and most certainly cannot be summarised in 2 paragraphs. But somewhat ironic you are criticising me given you made a very misleading one -sentence comment about Jews being indigenous to Palestine. I was addressing that point.

and yes it’s a thread about the appalling Holocaust memorial protests, but when others make incorrect statements I will challenge them. Both sides are attempting to hide truths for their benefit - polarisation is to their benefit. The longer this goes on the further from resolution we get.

Absolutely not the time or place for this. There are plenty of other threads where posters feel free to lecture Jewish people about their own history, ethnicity and culture so maybe you'd be better off trying one of those instead, I'm sure they'd make you very welcome.

They’re nothing more than antisemites and never were.

I’m not lecturing Jewish people - I have no idea of the religion of posters on here. and as I have already said, I was only responding to misleading statements already made.

i absolutely do not want to take anything away from a day of remembrance of one of history’s most gruesome events and It was entirely inappropriate and antisemitism to protest there.

I'd like to say I honestly can't believe on a thread about such appalling behaviour at a memorial for the dead there are such idiots as saying 'well but, anyway look how bad Jews were in history' but recently mn posters have made me be not surprised at all with the anti-semitism.

Thats just really awful, they should be ashamed of themselves.