Gaza is a foreign war and councillors can't effect it

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Just this really. No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.

Your councillor won't finish a an audit committee on car parking charges in Oldham then get on the phone to Benjamin Netanyahu to have a go.

Are councillors getting votes on this ticket going to be any good for advocating for good local services.

There are several different ways in which it could be read, and I'm asking the poster which they meant - who are/is the 'they'?

Who are you suggesting is a Hamas propagandist here?

Non-Labour/Non-Conservative councillors?
People who voted for them?
Posters on this thread?

Article about the gentleman here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13384573/The-green-fingered-accountant-declared-Allahu-Akbar-elected-Green-Party-councillor-gardening-blogger-Mothin-Ali-ranted-against-Israeli-occupation-day-Hamas-sickening-October-7-attacks.html

A dailymail article, how lovely.

Is that an example of an ad hominem argument?

It was posted earlier in the thread, but got deleted for the accompanying Islamophobic comments.

I think I gave up on the main parties when the siege of Gaza was accepted by them. Indifference to starving children abroad will mean indifference to children here - and plenty of them live in poverty. I also find cruelty to children abhorrent. I align with the Greens on climate issues and no other party seems to feel any urgency about preserving the world for future generations. The Greens also did not condone the siege of Gaza, nor the continuing campaign of assault on the territory. I may well vote for them, not just because of their position on Gaza, but because I believe addressing climate and environmental issues is imperative.

Do you understand what happened on 7 October, and Hamas's promise to repeat it until Israel is eradicated?

I have had a look at that lovely daily mail article. It seems that he believes all occupied people regardless of race have the right to fight back, seems like he will make a dreadful councillor.

@ChickyBricky I do. And it achieves nothing to punish the wrong people, by which I mean babies, infants and children.

How would you have dealt with Hitler?

@ChickyBricky I have never thought about that. He did end up controlling most of Europe, sending millions of people, mostly Jewish, to concentration camps, and led an ideology based on racial superiority. I don't think Hamas could be dealt with in the same way, as they are different. Not sure why you ask this, as they don't have a large empire with death and concentration camps. If we wanted to discuss hypotheticals we could imagine Hitler ruled a small, blockaded enclave in Germany, then attacked Germany, then ask ourselves what Germany should have done, but I don't think it's very useful. Hamas is a terrible threat to Israel and the attack on Oct 7th was devastating. However, they are not comparable to a superpower with ambition for world domination and racial supremacy, however repugnant they are.

How do you think WW2 was won? By a nice cup of tea with Goebbels and his friends? Do you have any idea what was sacrificed, in many countries, so that you are free to express these liberal views now?

What I'm trying to say is that women and children are always the casualties of wars fought in the interests of male ideologies.

I imagine if social media were around when this was filmed, everyone would be up in arms about the Allied attacks on Germany (although this was immediately post-war).

When dealing with nutters, unfortunately, there is no easy way forward.

ChickyBricky we didn’t want to be occupied by Germany so we fought back, is that what you are alluding to? But in this instance Isreal are the occupiers.

I think we all know how WWII was won.

We also decided that human rights were essential for all and that the rules of war needed updating.

So now we have all sorts of things in place to try and ensure never again. The UN, ICC, ICJ.

Do you know of any councillors running into trouble with these organisations?

The idea though that there are any mainstream politicians in the UK that have any influence over what happens in Gaza is for the birds. It puzzles me why people on the left want to blame Keir Starmer for what's going on there, or to suggest that he supports it, just because he won't and can't go full tonto in polemical speech against Israel (and Israelis). Local councillors deal with local issues. They are not solving world peace.

Politicians agree on arms sales to Israel. Does having a lot of councillors that are against this within a political party have any affect, I don’t know but quite possibly.

Western Countries - We are great we believe in democracy and freedoms. Everyone can express themselves.

Western Countries - How dare brown people use their democratic rights to vote for what they believe in.

What colour do you think Israelis are?

ChickyBricky it depends on where they came from originally . If it’s Europe they look European.

It sometimes strikes me that there's a slightly patronising-social-worker aspect to the Left's support for Palestine. They are easier to picture as "brown" and helpless (despite the immense wealth of Hamas), unlike Israel, who are only sometimes "brown."

Yes, according to this bloke the Israelis are "white supremacists".
I wouldn't have much confidence in his judgement as a Councillor!

Gaza is a foreign war and councillors can't effect it

Just to point out, I believe you need to use 'affect' in this sentence.

Yes, and "Does having a lot of councillors ... have any affect" should be effect.

Affect = verb

Effect = noun

But hey, we know what they meant! 🙂 No need for the grammar police!