Gaza is a foreign war and councillors can't effect it

[mids2019]

Just this really. No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.

Your councillor won't finish a an audit committee on car parking charges in Oldham then get on the phone to Benjamin Netanyahu to have a go.

Are councillors getting votes on this ticket going to be any good for advocating for good local services.

You know what. I am sick of people ignoring the fact people are dying in Gaza.

It’s disgusting that people in power are not calling for a a ceasefire.

It’s beyond measure that people get offended that people democratically elected a councillor that spoke about Gaza.

So I am going to keep going on and on to support the Palestinians and people of Gaza.

I have supported the Palestinian cause for many years.

Seeing dead children, children with second degree and third degree burns, amputations day in and day out.

I am tired that people care more concerned about the councillor than what’s going on in Rafah right now.

All that matters is that a peaceful solution is reached.

The last thing I want is to detract from the people of Gaza.

You are right that this is my opinion and that is all is required in this forum.
But you quite misunderstood my opinion.
I think people have voted according to their local problems, which are many. That does not mean that they do not care about confllicts around the world.
It is that simple.

What about this guy: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72pd91dg0go.amp

People should take into account how ethical a councillor is when they elect them.

Supporting Gaza isn’t mutually exclusive to the smooth running of local services. In reality most people will have special interests that take up some of their time and it’s unlikely that bin collections will be one of them. They may even have a second source of income.

Anyway, while people moan about the risk of bins being collected less frequently, more innocent people are yet again displaced and at an increased risk of death due to violence, starvation, disease and lack of access to health care.

What about him?

Was he not a single issue candidate?

Addressing the impact of the independent vote on Labour in the West Midlands mayoral election, the newly elected mayor Richard Parker said he was committed to rebuilding the Labour Party's trust within Muslim communities.
Mr Parker said: "It's a very important point and it matters to this region.
"I understand their concerns, I understand how important this issue is to them and I'm committed to working with our council leaders, our councillors, our MPs in the region and with the Labour Party nationally to start to rebuild the trust we've lost with the Muslim community."

I don't think he was a one issue candidate. Seems a lot broader than that, also tiktok seems to have had a lot to do with his exposure. Parties are going to have to catch up here if they want the youth vote

On the BBC website

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c90zle4g42lo

Not really.

The original article said that he was. When you go back in it says it cannot be found!

He's the 'TikTok Lawyer' from social media. His platform for the mayoral election included marketing himself as a 'political disruptor', views on issues such as housing/planning permission and community safety, and opinions on several international causes important to many people in the region. Also, he didn't win the election.

On Tic tok he has over 190,000 'followers'.

Tick toc shares so much rubbish and causes so much harm. Children watch self harm, violence, being told they can change sex if they are disliking their 'wrong body'. As do Instagram, x etc. The graphic violence on those children view.

China can use tic tok to influence and do.

Social media voters will grow.

Political dusrupter sounds sexy and radical to students and young people. Doing the actual work of making OUR society better after the general election is what's really important. Our health service, our social care, our crime, our tax and spending

Tick toc shares so much rubbish and causes so much harm
True but it is the platform most young people use whether we like it or not and if politicians want to reach that cohort that is where they need to be. Many "mainstream" politicians already are. Rishi is known for sending the odd tictoc

Even if you have a passionate view on Gaza aren't politicians cynically going to provide their their pro Palestinian credentials to win your vote? They are politicians after all.

Again, vote for someone that is conscious of the war in the middle East by all means but it is still the reality a councillor can not influence that conflict one iota.

I am far away from Birmingham and, locally, I would not say that the stance on the war has affected the vote here.

I think there are many shades of grey on this one. It could be that the candidate has a good plan to address local issues, devotion and also a strong moral view on the conflict, in which case I can see why their stance on a conscience issue will have a heavy weight.
But if their only political stance is on a foreign war, so on the other side of the grey area, then having them elected will be detrimental to the council indeed.
I do not believe many candidates will be on the latter group.
Most will have been involved in politics for long and prior to the war in Gaza.
I am thinking of this lady who commited the "crime" of voting pro a ceasefire petition in her council. It was the time all parties were getting tangled on their own words, which is beyond pathetic. Revolting, I would say. She had enough of it, she is pro-peace so she just voted against the ongoing advice on her party. Well, six hours of questionning followed. She left politics after that. She had been involved in the council for years. Shortly later, the whole government was signing ceasefire petitions (after some further shameful displays in parlament). Well, I want people like her in my council. And I want them listened to and respected, because they are genuine caring people.
I would not vote for Gallagher, for example. I do not know him much, but what I have seen is mainly controversial for the aim of being controversial.

So you're back. Are you going to answer the question I have asked you numerous times to name the candidates that you were referring to in your original post when you started this thread.

I find you one of the most disingenuous posters on these threads who constantly starts threads for the sole purpose of causing division.

Even if you have a passionate view on Gaza aren't politicians cynically going to provide their their pro Palestinian credentials to win your vote?
What candidates have done this?

Again, vote for someone that is conscious of the war in the middle East by all means but it is still the reality a councillor can not influence that conflict one iota.
Where has a candidate said they could?

As I have said before on this thread you make these sweeping statements with nothing to suggest it is true or happened. There is enough division on these threads without you creating it based on misinformation and hyperbole. I expect you'll ignore me once again, don't start threads if you have no intention of responding to questions for evidence to back up the reason for your thread.

Has OP found any elected councillors whose sole interest is Palestine yet?

Can you please explain why they will have no influence?

Do you believe that individuals operate in silos and that they have no influence over each other?

What are your thoughts on why so much time and effort is put into controlling public perception on pertinent issues?

You have totally missed the point and also ignored many posters explaining on this thread. You also have no understanding of Oldham as the council has needed a shake up for a while and it’s not due to Gaza.

How about a list of all MPs who resigned for that single reason. Those are easier to decipher. They felt that none of the other issues they were supposed to be solving for citizens as important as Gaza.

Can you name them? I am not sure who you are talking about

news.sky.com/story/amp/who-are-the-rebel-labour-mps-that-resigned-over-the-vote-for-a-gaza-ceasefire-13009351

They are MPs not councillors which this thread is meant to be about. They went against the party whip in voting for a ceasefire and chose to resign from the party not their seat. This happens in politics all the time when MPs vote against the whip on an issue. The vote was in Parliament and they voted, not sure what they have done wrong in your eyes? At least they bothered to turn up and vote which many MPs don't even bother to do.

They felt that none of the other issues they were supposed to be solving for citizens as important as Gaza.
You can say this about every MP who ever takes a stand on any particular issue. Maybe you are not familiar with politics but this is nothing new or unusual. Thankfully in a democracy if they are your MP and you didn't agree with their position on something you can opt out of voting for them next time.

MPs aren't councillors.

The resignations from front bench posts were hardly the first time these things have happened. If a vote on a particular issue is 'whipped' (ie the leadership says everyone in the party must vote a particular way on it), then it is expected that people in front bench posts and other significant roles will resign from those posts if they are not going to follow the party whip. It happens quite a bit.

They're still MPs, they've not surrendered their local brief, they just resigned from other posts, as per convention.