Gaza is a foreign war and councillors can't effect it

[mids2019]

Just this really. No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.

Your councillor won't finish a an audit committee on car parking charges in Oldham then get on the phone to Benjamin Netanyahu to have a go.

Are councillors getting votes on this ticket going to be any good for advocating for good local services.

yes, sorry @ChickyBricky I can't help myself sometimes. I'm think people want to get it right, which is why I point it out. It's probably my own weird obsession, however.

Haha! I'm the same, I've been sitting on my hands all night !🤓

And no need for this thread because op has still not named any of the 17,000 councillors elected on Friday that got elected because of their stance on Gaza 🤔

Why does it matter what colour they are? Are you suggesting that brown people living in Europe are not European and should sent back to brown majority countries?

Don’t be so obtuse. You know I am talking about regions where South Asian people are voting for councillors who have called for a ceasefire.

I agree with you, OP. I would feel the same if someone shouted "Jesus is Lord!" on being elected, and linked that to an overseas conflict. It's sectarian. Local politics should be something else.

I agree.

I have always worked in LG. You need good administrators in LG. It’s about good local service delivery.

I think many people don’t understand what LG really does.

Yes, I'm pleased to say that our new local councillor's first statement was about public transport provision in our part of the city. That's what I want.

So if you were interviewing a job candidate, would you ask him questions to a different job rather than the one he applied for? Because there is no reason to think someone who can do job A, can’t do job B?

True enough, OP. A stance on Gaza, or Russia, or Sudan, or Trump, etc etc will have zero effect on how well they do the job of delivering local services. Proving once again how little logic and research some people bring to the ballot box.

I agree with you, @Newbutoldfather .
I didn't know he is being investigated for antisemitism. We shall see what happens.

It is such a real waste as these people need to form good relations with the council chief executive and the body of the working council. The incumbent councillor needs also to be potentially responsible for a huge amount of public money (and no council taxes can't be sent to Gaza).

I think the point about voting at least a small scale being done in ethnic religious grounds was a good one as we have to ask is this where do we want to go as a country? I don't particularly care whether my councillor is Protestant, Catholic or Muskim. (As an aside I do feel concerned this councillor has a particular interest in limiting alcohol sale licences when not linked to anti social behaviour possibly on religious grounds).

It also quite possible that those that are the most passionate about Gaza maybe those most likely to be anti Semitic and we have to reflect on whether having people in positions of political power with declared anti Semitic views is a good thing. Personally I feel nit.

This is a minor phemomonr at the moment and hopefully in a few years there will be other interests for people and these independents will be quite happy opening leisure centres and meeting local school l leaders of will have left due to boredom or incompetence.

I think we need to be wary of threats to secularism, however.
Religion front and centre seems regressive to me.

I’ve had experience with local councillors obsessed with overseas issues etc. made me roll my eyes and wonder what russia has to do with my bin collection.

I think there is space within internal party structures so the national party understands if there is string feeling on a particular issue at a local level. Thats right and reasonable, you can feel strongly about whatever you want. I don’t want to hear about it when you are campaigning locally.

I think the guy above was involved in encouraging harassment against a rabbi who had been called up by the IDF (Israeli citizen). The Jewish family got rape and death threats (he wasn’t making threats but he was definitely targeting the rabbi in youtube videos).

No I wouldn’t want someone who does that representing me. I don’t like people who encourage pile ons.

@mids2019 are you ever going to answer my question and point out the councillors you keep talking about. You seem to be inventing scenarios for discussion sake.

You started this thread with the following paragraph
Just this really. No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.
And after repeatedly asking you to provide evidence of where this happened you have completely ignored me. So my conclusion is it hasn't happened and this whole thread is you trying to stir up division which many of the threads you start are always about.

What do you mean by your third paragraph?

The situation in Gaza IS playing an undue role in the UK local elections

https://labourlist.org/2024/05/local-elections-results-2024-council-2/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/local-election-results-gaza-israel-birmingham-b2539142.html
https://www.ft.com/content/32fc13d1-2ae4-45a7-b950-ad2325bcbe14
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68956784

Lots of wannabe master of the world in local politics and grandstanding neo-militants online.

I care about how social care is managed locally, services for children, disabled and vulnerable people.

A war that a Councillor has no power to alter is not on the vote list requirements.

Let the middle Eastern countries sort out what they are doing. We cannot police the whole world. Although most people that vote with Gaza in mind don't care about any other problems in the world, you never heard Dafur etc mentioned at all during that period of election. Its just anti Israel.

Allahu Akbar is a pretty normal thing for any practising Muslim to say.

In this case, the draping of the flag and the content of his speech were inappropriate and I think people should have challenged that. There may even be grounds for disciplinary measures, I'm not sure what his area's local council rules are on that sort of conduct.

But Allahu Akbar is not hate speech, or pro-war speech, or anything else like that. Deeming it sectarian to reference God in Arabic (or while Muslim) is an example of the ways in which our society is sliding further towards religious intolerance.

I speak Arabic. I say Allahu Akbar and other dhikr multiple times per day, including in everyday conversation. Should I just stay home then?

I agree.
Imagine being a country where religious belief trumps everything, awful.

Actually, I wouldn't want to vote for a pro-Russia candidate, or a candidate who supported ongoing civil war and humanitarian crises in Sudan or elsewhere, or a candidate who supported Trump.

A person's or party's stated views tell you something about their character and their principles. I'm pretty confident that a candidate supporting those things is not someone I would feel reassured by having in any elected position of authority.

What chant?