Gaza is a foreign war and councillors can't effect it

[mids2019]

Just this really. No matter how strong your feelings on Gaza why vote for local councillors ,who should be concerned about verge cutting and leisure centres, on this issue.

Your councillor won't finish a an audit committee on car parking charges in Oldham then get on the phone to Benjamin Netanyahu to have a go.

Are councillors getting votes on this ticket going to be any good for advocating for good local services.

Oy..last line...your Freudian slip's showing😁...but I agree with you.

I have asked this question of @mids2019
3 times and she hasn't named one. It seems to be a completely fictitious scenario she has concocted. I have pointed out that there is nothing in any news reports to suggest any candidate got through on the issue of Gaza

The whole reason for the thread just seems to be to bash pro Palestinian supporters. I am finding it increasingly frustrating that the op has no evidence to back up her claim in her original post

I think it's a question about local democracy and knowing it's limits.

What is? You've still not given any evidence of independent candidates being elected to councils solely on their opinions on Gaza, nor of independent candidates being a bad thing, nor on why someone shouldn't factor their own values into the voting decisions.

I m way fed up with the virtue-signalling and the hypocrisy from all these people who are suddenly ride or die with Palestine.

Palestine had been left to rot for 15+ years since the last Intifada, no one cared
If you can put a scale to misery and geopolitics, what s happening in Ukraine is a lot more important
There are muslims in concentration camps in other countries right now, no one cares
The antisemitism is abhorrent to watch
There have been wars and religious/ethnic conflicts in the Middle East since before the Romans, it s not only the West's fault, and certainly not your local UK councillor

#endrant

It is extremely frustrating as I said it is a made up scenario by @mids2019 to bash Palestinian supporters with and it's working. Question to provide evidence has been ignored about 5 times now, pathetic

it s not only the West's fault, and certainly not your local UK councillor
no evidence that people voted in their local councillor based on Gaza op seems to have made it up

I m way fed up with the virtue-signalling and the hypocrisy from all these people who are suddenly ride or die with Palestine.
Not sudden for most, many of us have been campaigning for Gaza and the west bank for decades. Also pretty distasteful phrasing given how many civilians have died

Maybe there are independents that go into council meetings with a Palestinian t shirt. They still need to do a job

If independent candidates can get away from Gaza to concentrate on day to day governance all well and good.

If the independents that are failing to get elwctr because of only having one foreign policy interest maybe people are thinking they may not be the best people to be advocating for SEND care etc

@mids2019
https://leeds.greenparty.org.uk/home/candidate-mothin-ali/

You could always google and find out what he stands for.

@NerdWhoEatsMedlar
so gardening and trying to get mind a shut??? Oh yeah campaigning against anti social behaviour with me thinking October 7th was a tad anti social. Great.

@mids2019 are you suggesting that saying "Allahu Akbar" is an incitement to something?

Should people, politicians, countries not mention God?
There's some nasty surprises coming.

Quick somebody ring Prevent, a politician has said something that sounds Muslim.

I spoke Arabic out shopping today, guess I'd better put the kettle on for when they come round for me.

@mids2019 you still have not named any candidates out of the 17,000 or so elected on Friday that got in solely because they support Palestine. Your whole thread is about this but you have not given any evidence to suggest it even happened 🙄

Not an incitement, but certainly something your average UK citizen would be nervous of hearing someone shout in public nowadays.

It's a commonly used phrase. It can be used in celebration, remembrance, dedication of an act, etc. It's as normal a thing to say as any form of dhikr (remembrance of God).

Many people thank God in acceptance speeches and similar. The guy's hardly instigating a terrorist attack by speaking a language in which he's probably fluent at his own council election.

How is that an incitement to anything?

I'm not talking about the context in which it's usually used. I'm talking about the context in which your average Westerner gets to hear it.

Context is everything.

I think if a councillor wrapped themselves in the Israeli flag and shouted out in Hebrew, many on here wouldn’t be as sympathetic.

I really don't think the 'average Westerner' only hears people saying Allahu Akbar in the context of incitement to terrorism. That seems a bit fear-mongery to me.

@mids2019 oh, what did you mean by "who in their right mind would want someone... with their views"? Who are 'they' in that?

And still the Hamas propagandists persist with the smear that the Israelis are engaged in genocide. The truth is the exact opposite. It is the Hamas murderers, rapists and hostage takers who are engaged in an attempted genocide, of the Jews. Which is why they must be destroyed.

It's gender-neutral language