University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

I m thankful that the next generation are sensible regarding what is happening in Gaza.

Student protests helped with Vietnam, they helped with South Africa and they will end up helping I hope with the Palestinian cause: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6wqed-oFh7/?igsh=MXRkanFtOGtpM200ZQ==

Hélène79 · Today 22:27
No, it was racist.

If someone called Palestine a cult then I'm sure you'd be among the first on here to call that racist.

Calling Palestine itself a cult might be wrong and misplaced, though i don’t understand how it would be racist as such. But in a way I think there is now a passionate following over Palestine where there is as much emotion as reason. If it were a film I think it would be called a cult following.

Those Israelis who have a passionate religious belief that the land of Israel is historically theirs and given by God could conceivably be called a cult.

It seems that Trump is oddly a sort of cult leader, unbelievably enough.

Cult is a rather loose term though when it comes to pinning it down.

It’s difficult isn’t it, because most group leaders want people to be obedient and follow the values and rules they have decided are the correct ones. I’m
pretty sure Rishi Sunak is using terror management theory as an election tool! With all his talk of the dangers ahead. So perhaps it is only when these values and rules hurt other people it really matters.

I am troubled by conscription and the young age for it in Israel. I don’t want to say it is a form of indoctrination but for a bad actor it would be the perfect opportunity. I’m not particularly knowledgeable about how conscription works and exactly what happens though.

Those Israelis who have a passionate religious belief that the land of Israel is historically theirs and given by God could conceivably be called a cult.

It's in the Old Testament so I don't think it's merely a subset of Israelis that believe that God gave Israel to the Jews.

Maybe we should all be careful about the words and labels we attach to each other, because these can then be used as an excuse to treat people poorly. And unless you are looking for that excuse it isn’t really helpful.

most group leaders want people to be obedient and follow the values and rules they have decided are the correct ones

And tell them off when they don't post according to those rules that they have decided are correct, right?

It really is heartening to see that the next generation care. Great to see a fire in their bellies and a passion for a worthy cause. I think once Israel are done with Gaza Palestinians are going to need as much passion and care as they can get to try and move forward with whatever Israel leave them with.

I've been so impressed with the student protests as a whole, they stood firm despite the hatred they received and having people like that, people that won't be silent about war crimes and breeches of humanitarian law makes the world a safer place for us all. If you turn a blind eye to the world now, history will turn a blind eye to you later.

This is catchy:
https://twitter.com/ShutupLyle/status/1788612074999783510

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/05/13/ucla-attackers-exposed/

UCLA attackers exposed…but the police are still to act.

So how did they "try and move forward" in 2006 when elections were held and the democratic result was not respected?

It was in January 2006 that the Palestinian territories held what turned out to be their last parliamentary elections. Hamas won a bare plurality of votes (44 percent to the more moderate Fatah party’s 41 percent) but, given the electoral system, a strong majority of seats (74 to 45). Neither party was keen on sharing power.
Fighting broke out between the two.
When a unity government was finally formed in June 2007, Hamas broke the deal, started murdering Fatah Members and, in the end, took total control of the Gaza Strip.
Those who weren’t killed fled to the West Bank, and the territories have remained split ever since.

No-one can blame Israel for that debacle.

No-one can blame Israel for that debacle.
Who knows? as we have seen with this conflict the USA often acts in the interest of the Israeli Government (even to it's own and it's citizens detriment).

What can't be denied (documents were released confirming it), is that GW Bushes government directly interfered in Gaza following the election of Hamas.

"After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever."

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/04/gaza200804

Still, the Palestinians got the government they deserved
What do you mean?

Why have you posted this article? Do you support the idea that civilians in Gaza are legitimate targets because they didn't overthrow Hamas?

What they could have rigged harder? Should elections be rigged, then? Hillary is that you? aka "‘If we were going to push for elections, we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win’
https://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/palestinian-elections-determine/

Interesting, that this was during America's "exporting democracy" period. Dubya's "war on terror" that completely destabilised the region and led to the death and displacement of millions. I'm glad that ordinary (especially younger) Americans are waking up to the trillions spent on fighting forever wars using their taxes while poor people are struggling to survive.

The clever ones recognise that their governments actions are going to lead to the destruction of America as we know it, as the world increasing turns towards a multipolar world order.

@BelleHathor as the world increasing turns towards a multipolar world order.

That worked well in the EU didn't it ?

"All countries are equal but some are more equal than others" 🙄

Well done LSE: student speakers condemned the “egregious complicity of this bloody university in [Israel’s] genocide of the Palestinian people.”https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6-s1KNxNEP/?igsh=NmN1MTE0Z3RpeHh0

Fantastic LSE students 🙌🙌🙌

@Tripeandonions I see your post was deleted but I would still like you to answer my questions

https://x.com/thediyora/status/1790775367222894789?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog students hold a sit in at St. Martins College, London. ❤️🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸

All I can think of is the Pulp song “She studied sculpture at St. Martin’s College….” I love that song!

Which reminds me, I saw that Jarvis Cocker has pulled out of a festival this week, along with about 100 artists, due to it being sponsored by Barclays. Massive Attack organised/promoted the boycott, I believe.

Nice to hear some good news and see decent people standing against the genocide 🙌🙌🙌

https://x.com/mairavz/status/1790723528959852645?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

🍉🍉🍉Also fantastic to see all these students in Tel Aviv. 🍉 🍉🍉

Some would ask do these students actually ask themselves what they are actually protesting for in amongst the soundbites, fake propaganda and on trend antisemitism. Do they even know? They are supporting a terrorist government and a murderous ideology. I wonder if they’d be happy to have them as neighbours in their safe western countries.

Or even for this to happen to them as arguably the West have caused more death and destruction in the world than Israel has.

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1782603564956737542

https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1788990879710994795

https://www.click2houston.com/video/news/2023/10/09/captives-seen-in-pickup-trucks-driving-through-crowded-gaza-streets/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gsZtBu5yiHY

Would you be happy to have Israel as a neighbour? They are hardly a passive player in all of this are they. I doubt you'd be so keen on settlers moving in to your town, on being denied the right to walk down the street because you are the wrong race, on having your kids school bulldozed then being denied permission to build another one, on being stopped at check points and held up for hours for no reason at all even when you are in the back of an ambulance and need urgent medical care, being denied the ability to build a well or collect rainwater. I don't think you would like your children blown up as they play on the beach or killed by snipers as they hang out the washing or shot at their school desks.

If you want to talk about murderous ideology what type of ideology do you think makes people block aid to starving children and party while they do it? Not the ideology of good neighbours that's for sure huh.

Are you asking if the pro Israel protesters know what it is they are standing for? If they know they are standing for Netanyahu, for a far right facist government who spew murderous hate speech? Who think that the 'children of Gaza brought this on themselves'. Wtf are those clowns protesting for?

Oh no, consequences!

https://gothamist.com/news/nyus-mandatory-ethics-homework-for-student-protesters-includes-the-simpsons-wikipedia

The children of Gaza certainly did not bring this on themselves. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say that or think that.

I can’t remember seeing any protests either before or since Oct 7th about about this though. What kind of an ideology glorifies and encourage the death of children?