University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

[EasterIssland]

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

Here we go again with casual, baseless accusations about deleted posts. This seems to be a theme on this board.

This is why I replied. I haven't had any posts deleted for islamophobia. Yet the casual, 'most of these posters.....' is thrown around.

I haven't had any posts deleted either and I am extremely concerned about anti-Semitism. I am also concerned about increasing Islamophobia too.

Who said "most"? Not me, so please stop misquoting me.

@AgnesWickfield it's not baseless because it actually happened.

"Some" is what I said. So there's no need to be so defensive. A poster who posts frequently about antisemitism while at the same time posts Islamaphobic sentiments which obviously mumsnet agrees are Islamaphobic as they delete them when they're reported is a problem surely?

A former jdf member that took part in Gaza scared in the MIT campus

https://twitter.com/LegalishCA/status/1788690668027519190

The MIT Campus must be scarier than Gaza.

Of course the student on the radio didn’t think that Israel had a right to exist. It’s blatantly obvious that is where the protest discourse is headed. Any time anyone says ‘end the occupation’ or ‘fuck Zionism’ they are getting closer to that conclusion.

Where is Israel occupying, exactly?

Zionists think Israel has the right to exist. So what do fervent anti-zionists think?

I’m surprised anyone is surprised by that coming from someone who is in one of these camps. I saw on Twitter a guy who said he was refused entry to a US camp because, despite condemning Israel in the strongest terms, he still believed Israel has a right to exist.

It’s the end point.

The Professor from Arizona State University who abused the woman wearing a hijab has been fired.
https://x.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/1788665847122464824

@EasterIssland i saw this too, what an absolute clown! But actually very sinister that he is trying to mislead people.

@BelleHathor fantastic news

Great news, he is clearly a disgusting man.

Where is Israel occupying, exactly?

@noblegiraffe This should help https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/opt/

Absolutely, especially when you consider the fact that this is how he behaved in public, I shudder to think of how he behaved in private.

It doesn't.

Israel hasn't occupied Gaza since 2005.

(It could be argued that Hamas is occupying Gaza)

Prior to that Gaza was occupied by Egypt from 1948 until 1967.

The West Bank was annexed by Jordan in 1949 (funny no-one complained about that breach of International Law 🤔) and was under their control until 1967.

I think we all know at this stage that Israel and those who are Anti Palestinian 'claim' that Israel don't occupy Gaza. Unfortunately for them International opinion disagrees, for example both the UK and US government regard Gaza as being under Israeli occupation. Israel make quite a lot of claims, you don't have to believe them all.

Additionally don't forget the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights (Syrian territory) and parts of Southern Lebanon. As well aa the numerous rockets/attacks fired on other Sovereign Territories in the name of "defence".

No, you misunderstand.

There are people who consider the occupation to be Israel. In its entirety. If you are antizionist, and you don't think Israel should have been created in the first place, then it stands to reason that you think it is occupying land that belongs to someone else.

For example, this boycott website which was recommended on here refers to Tel Aviv as being in 'occupied Palestine' rather than Israel.

It would probably be a good idea, if you see someone chanting 'End the Occupation' what exactly they mean by that. They might mean that they think Israel doesn't have the right to exist, like that student on the radio.

No one, who has been paying any attention to how this has been playing out, should be even remotely surprised that that student on the radio refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. That's how these things work.

How what things work? The media having controversial guests, having people with extreme views on air because it makes for better radio and gets people talking?

You statement that Any time anyone says ‘end the occupation’ or ‘fuck Zionism’ they are getting closer to that conclusion. is just ridiculous. We can't ignore Israels illegal occupation, millions of people have been suffering for decades because of it. Not to mention that there will never be peace for Israel as long as they are violent, illegal occupiers. Older Palestinians admit that they have been worn down by the occupation, that they will just submit to the humiliation for an easier life but younger people will always dream of making a better life for themselves and they know that that cannot happen under Israels regime and they will fight for it if they feel that that is the only way that can be achieved. End the occupation, for everybody's sake.

OK @ConnieCounter

SOME.... So which of us posting concerns about anti semitism have had islamaphobic posts deleted then? Several of us have said we haven't and we have expressed concerns over anti semitism.

Who are the SOME then, that you refer to?

I'd like to know this too.

https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1788593439619342482?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Students at Seoul National University have joined the call ❤️🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸

Labour's David Lammy get's a lesson from Nelson Mandela's Grandson after Lammy suggested that Nelson Mandela would have been against the Student protests.

BREAKING - Media Statement by Nelson Mandela's grandson, Zwelivelile "Mandla" Mandela, in direct response to comments made by Labour Shadow Foreign Secretary .

.He calls Lammy an "apologist for genocide".

FULL STATEMENT:

"We call on students all over the world to emulate the student protest encampments on USA University Campuses.

Friday, 10th May 2024: Today, marks 30 years since the inauguration of President Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela on the 10th May 1994. I dedicate the memory of this day to the students protesting on USA University campuses calling for an immediate ceasefire of the genocide of Gaza and supporting the struggle of the Palestinian people for freedom.

"We recall Madiba’s historic words on this day when he said: "We dedicate this day to all the heroes and heroines in this country and the rest of the world who sacrificed in many ways and surrendered their lives so that we could be free."

"Contrary to what David Lammy, the Labour MP in the UK would like us to believe, Madiba acknowledged the heroes in the Civil Rights Movement in the USA and campuses all over the world who regularly protested for our freedom.

"He himself was of that generation of South African youth who called for the armed struggle in the face of increasing state brutality in dealing with peaceful protest against Apartheid.

"The youth on USA campuses are emulating and following in the brave footsteps of the youth of 1968 who came out openly protesting against the war in Vietnam.

"On countless occasions acknowledged the role of the student protests of 1976 Soweto Uprising for playing a seminal role in our march to freedom.

"From his prison cell he echoed the call to the students of the 1980s to make South Africa ungovernable.

"David Lammy mustn't be an apologist for Apartheid Israel and for the ongoing genocide in Gaza. He must echo President Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela's commitment to the Palestinian struggle which he affirmed during his visit to Gaza in 1995 when he said: " Our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinian people."

"We call on David Lammy to stop being an apologist for genocide and instead encourage all students on UK and European university campuses to emulate their fellow students in the USA in their call for a ceasefire in Gaza and support the struggle of the Palestinian people for freedom.

"Youth are the conscience of our world and their voices are the moral compass that guide us to a better future. Rather than brutalize them and criminalize their protest actions, we must encourage them to continue to stand for justice, human rights and dignity for all humanity. You are our heroes, we salute you.

ENDS

Nkosi Zwelivelile
Royal House of Mandela

https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1788864864867197133

Salute to Nkosi, South Africa comes through again

International opinion is not the same as International Law.

During December 1948 hundreds of Palestinian notables in the West Bank gathered, accepted Jordanian rule and recognized Abdullah as ruler. The West Bank was formally annexed on 24 April 1950, but the annexation was widely considered as illegal and void by most of the international community.

When Jordan transferred its full citizenship rights to the residents of the West Bank, the annexation more than tripled the population of Jordan, going from 400,000 to 1,300,000. The naturalized Palestinians enjoyed equal opportunities in all sectors of the state without discrimination, and they were given half of the seats of the Jordanian Parliament
After Jordan lost the West Bank to Israel in the 1967 Six Day War the Palestinians there remained Jordanian citizens until Jordan renounced claims to and ceased to administer the territory in 1988.

So effectively Jordan rendered their West Bank citizens Stateless - illegal under International Law. (Where was the outcry over this, I wonder ? )

There have been moves for Jordan to reunite with the previously annexed West Bank but these have not come to fruition.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/10/palestine-jordan-will-not-reannex-the-west-bank/