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Conflict in the Middle East

University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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EasterIssland · 26/04/2024 17:06

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

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Auvergne63 · 08/05/2024 14:37

Now the Israeli government views the students as a threat.
Knesset committee warned: US campus riots ‘direct threat to Israel’ - JNS.org

PeasfullPerson · 08/05/2024 14:52

Auvergne63 · 08/05/2024 14:37

Now the Israeli government views the students as a threat.
Knesset committee warned: US campus riots ‘direct threat to Israel’ - JNS.org

Yes. They are a threat to the success of Israeli propaganda.

Auvergne63 · 08/05/2024 14:55

PeasfullPerson · 08/05/2024 14:52

Yes. They are a threat to the success of Israeli propaganda.

Of course.

Dulra · 08/05/2024 16:47

Auvergne63 · 08/05/2024 14:37

Now the Israeli government views the students as a threat.
Knesset committee warned: US campus riots ‘direct threat to Israel’ - JNS.org

Israel need to look at themselves and the threat to life they bring daily to the people of Gaza and the West Bank. They need to seriously stfu.

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 08/05/2024 17:02

Dulra · 08/05/2024 16:47

Israel need to look at themselves and the threat to life they bring daily to the people of Gaza and the West Bank. They need to seriously stfu.

Israel are protecting their state from another Holocaust. They are not going to STFU. Not now. Not ever. Let people protest all they want as long as they stop with the anti-Semitism and breaking the law. They will soon move on to something else.

Scirocco · 08/05/2024 17:23

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 08/05/2024 17:02

Israel are protecting their state from another Holocaust. They are not going to STFU. Not now. Not ever. Let people protest all they want as long as they stop with the anti-Semitism and breaking the law. They will soon move on to something else.

Israel is killing innocent people who do not need to die. Israel is occupying and oppressing people.

This is not self-defence. This is the destruction of Palestinian society. Which Netanyahu and others have worked towards for a long time.

Dulra · 08/05/2024 17:30

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 08/05/2024 17:02

Israel are protecting their state from another Holocaust. They are not going to STFU. Not now. Not ever. Let people protest all they want as long as they stop with the anti-Semitism and breaking the law. They will soon move on to something else.

Israel are protecting their state from another Holocaust
By killing thousands of innocent civilians? That is not protection.

Let people protest all they want as long as they stop with the anti-Semitism and breaking the law
Netanyahu is fast making the accusation of antisemitism meaningless because he uses it whenever anyone including the UN, ICJ, ICC, EU and so on disagree with them. He is the real threat to Israeli and Jewish safety

oharobot · 08/05/2024 17:34

Scirocco · 08/05/2024 11:32

I think lobbying in the US in particular has too much influence as a whole.

The system enables unelected groups to essentially buy influence in government, which goes against basic principles of democracy in my opinion.

And no, this isn't a concern only when it's one lobby or one demographic, it's a concern overall. For example, a lot of children's lives could be saved if the pro-gun lobbies stopped working against gun control laws.

But that poster wasn't talking about lobbying on general. They were talking about how AIPAC were spending too much money compared to the "Jewish connected" population. E.g. The Jews are throwing around money to get undue influence.

AgnesWickfield · 08/05/2024 17:46

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 08/05/2024 09:47

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/07/the-bbc-is-hiding-the-toxic-truth-about-anti-israel-protest/

For the latest evidence of the BBC’s failure to take anti-Semitism seriously, look no further than the corporation’s reporting of the campus protests at Columbia and other American universities. It goes without saying that we all have the right to protest. But it is abundantly clear that what is taking place on these campuses is a great deal more toxic, ugly and racist. Violence, intimidation and threats against Jewish students and teachers have been a daily occurrence.
At Columbia, there appears to have been no attempt to hide the anti-Semitism at the protest sites. Captured on video, protesters screamed the following at two Jewish students outside the campus gates: “Never forget the 7th of October.” “That will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10 … but ten thousand times.” “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you!” On American soil, at a place of learning, Jewish people faced threats of a massacre. The spectre of pogroms, long thought part of the history of Jewish people, not their present, had returned.
The same is true at other American universities. At UCLA, things got so bad that pro-Palestinian demonstrators created a checkpoint to stop Jewish students from entering campus. The denial of access to education on grounds of race should be condemned by us all, but many of the campus protesters are selective in their activism when it comes to human rights. For them, anti-Semitism does not count.
The scale of racism against Jews on campuses is such that Joe Biden felt forced to intervene. Warning of an alarming surge of anti-Semitism, he said: “Silence is complicity. Even in recent days, we’ve seen harassment and calls for violence against Jews. This blatant anti-Semitism is reprehensible and dangerous – and it has absolutely no place on college campuses, or anywhere in our country.”
Yet reading the BBC’s online reporting of the protests, you would often have little idea that racism against Jews is loud and proud and Jewish students and teachers are experiencing something truly horrendous.
A BBC News article first published on April 26, titled “What do pro-Palestinian student protesters at US universities want?”, speaks volumes through what it left out until it was apparently updated. This “explainer” did not make a single mention of anti-Semitism at the protests. The tone of the report was also instructive. Protesters were made to sound like young heroes, carrying forward the torch of the Occupy Wall Street movement and the anti-apartheid demonstrations of the 1980s. The bias – and lack of interest – in anti-Semitism could not have been clearer.
It is hard to understand how this is possible from a news organisation that claims to be impartial and repeatedly asserts that it takes anti-Semitism as seriously as any other form of racism.
The same is true of a BBC report on May 2 titled “Columbia University community ‘shattered’ after police raid”. The tone of the article is one of sympathy for the protesters. Issues as serious as whether the cafeteria will fully re-open are deemed worthy of careful reporting. Racism against Jews is not. Nor is the violence and law-breaking that led to the police decision to intervene.
If anyone believes that these are isolated failures, the BBC News live feed page on the US campus protests are revealing. On May 2, this page was updated 58 times over the course of more than 10 hours. The experience of racism by Jewish students was covered in just one post, 30 minutes before the page closed. Despite hours of detailed and continuous coverage, it appears that BBC News felt that anti-Semitism was just not that important.
There is a simple test one can apply to this coverage. Had the poisonous racism on display at these protests been directed at the black or Muslim community, would BBC reports make little or no reference to it? The answer would – quite rightly – be no. The racist abuse would be front and centre of the story. It would be treated with the due prominence and sensitivity it deserves. It would be headline news, at the very heart of the coverage.
Yet racism against Jews is deemed barely worthy of mention in these BBC reports, if at all. As Biden noted, silence is complicity when it comes to anti-Semitism. And again here, the BBC’s silence is an act of complicity. All this adds to the growing list of BBC failures on anti-Semitism and anti-Israel bias since the October 7 massacres. It is hard to imagine that the vast majority of members of Britain’s Jewish community will ever forget it.

Thanks for sharing this, I found it very interesting.

EasterIssland · 08/05/2024 18:02

Spanish students started protesting end of last week. Glad to see some unis are changing their protocols already

UNIVERSITY OF BARCELONA PASSES MOTION TO CUT TIES WITH ISRAEL

https://twitter.com/UniperPalestina/status/1788219726834917862

https://twitter.com/UniperPalestina/status/1788219726834917862

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TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 08/05/2024 18:27

Dulra · 08/05/2024 17:30

Israel are protecting their state from another Holocaust
By killing thousands of innocent civilians? That is not protection.

Let people protest all they want as long as they stop with the anti-Semitism and breaking the law
Netanyahu is fast making the accusation of antisemitism meaningless because he uses it whenever anyone including the UN, ICJ, ICC, EU and so on disagree with them. He is the real threat to Israeli and Jewish safety

The IDF are dismantling Hamas battalions and unfortunately Hamas are using civilians as human shields. My heart breaks for those caught up in this in this way.

Finallyloggedin · 08/05/2024 18:27

https://x.com/missymarxist/status/1787927283237347597?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Really good interview with a lovely young man. I’d be so proud of him if he was my son.

https://x.com/missymarxist/status/1787927283237347597?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Finallyloggedin · 08/05/2024 18:29

@EasterIssland thats great news, well done to Barcelona.

@TheKeenAmberHedgehog its the other way around actually, I saw a video yesterday of the idf making a family of 7 Palestinians shield them for hours. They (the idf) really are the scum of the earth.

Gunnersforthecup · 08/05/2024 19:06

Bear in mind there are about 27,000 Oxford University students, about 17,000 staff and other staff employed by the colleges. That is a very small number of people at these demos! I wonder how representative it really is of "Oxford"

Scirocco · 08/05/2024 19:31

Every person who stands in peaceful protest against what is happening is welcome, and one more person than was standing previously. Whether there are 100 people standing together or one person standing alone, it is valid and it is appreciated.

Polka83 · 08/05/2024 19:44

Gunnersforthecup · 08/05/2024 19:06

Bear in mind there are about 27,000 Oxford University students, about 17,000 staff and other staff employed by the colleges. That is a very small number of people at these demos! I wonder how representative it really is of "Oxford"

As representative as how the majority in the country think?

“The poll shows that among all voters in the UK a majority of 56% to 17% are in favour of a ban on the export of arms and spare parts. By a majority of 59% to 12% voters say Israel is violating human rights in Gaza.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/majority-of-voters-in-uk-back-banning-arm-sales-to-israel-poll-finds

Actually- as Oxford MP is a Liberal Democrat- the stats are 70% support ban of export of arms or spare parts to Israel, and 79% believe Israel is violating human rights. Perhaps the students have support for non-violent protest?

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/ActionForHumanity_Israel_WithVI_240327_W.pdf

Majority of voters in UK back banning arms sales to Israel, poll finds | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

Exclusive: YouGov survey indicates loss of support among people in Britain for Israel’s war in Gaza

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/majority-of-voters-in-uk-back-banning-arm-sales-to-israel-poll-finds

Finallyloggedin · 08/05/2024 20:09

Nothing would ever change if people thought “it’s only me” or “it’s only a few of us”. As @Scirocco said, every person who protests is helping.

Also this is an interesting witness account from someone at the UCLA protest. https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1788146574649970998?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1788146574649970998?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Finallyloggedin · 08/05/2024 21:24

Thank you @Polka83 , these statistics are important. Also, imagine if the newspapers and channels were actually showing the true horror of the situation and the sheer volume of disgusting war crimes, I’m sure the numbers wanting a ban on arms sales would be even higher.

DomPom47 · 08/05/2024 21:28

Well done Cambridge students:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6uFruPBn1K/?igsh=aWEzMmt1czRrNGZ0

Hope they won’t be labelled as antisemitic

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6uFruPBn1K/?igsh=aWEzMmt1czRrNGZ0

Finallyloggedin · 08/05/2024 22:14

@DomPom47 thank you, i just watched the Cambridge video. The students come across as so thoughtful and genuine don’t they? They have so much more humanity than many of our current politicians.

empoleon · 08/05/2024 23:10

Finallyloggedin · 08/05/2024 20:09

Nothing would ever change if people thought “it’s only me” or “it’s only a few of us”. As @Scirocco said, every person who protests is helping.

Also this is an interesting witness account from someone at the UCLA protest. https://x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1788146574649970998?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

I clicked on that guy's twitter account and his first post is him praising the Taliban for their treatment of women.

EasterIssland · 08/05/2024 23:13

empoleon · 08/05/2024 23:10

I clicked on that guy's twitter account and his first post is him praising the Taliban for their treatment of women.

Whose ? Sulaiman Ahmed
? I don’t get the same. The first video are settlers attacking a Palestinian woman for me

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ScrollingLeaves · 08/05/2024 23:22

DomPom47 · 08/05/2024 21:28

Well done Cambridge students:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6uFruPBn1K/?igsh=aWEzMmt1czRrNGZ0

Hope they won’t be labelled as antisemitic

It would be difficult not to admire them, especially that spokesperson whose hope, idealism, and whole hearted stance is both moving and humbling.

They have made such a good job of organising their camp in the practical sense, and in how they have included talks and the sharing of cultures too.

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