How have we come to a state where the police confront someone for being overtly Jewish?

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Just how?

I think at best this inept policing at worst vile anti semitism.

I suppose it is now in the open that central London has become effectively a no go area for Jews given the potential for abuse from hate marchers.

Can't we just stop these marches so Jews can go about their business?

I remember the Sun and Mirror claiming women who dressed provocatively were 'asking for it' and deserved cat calls and worse.
No one deserves abuse on our streets. It is up to the organisers of the marches to make it absolutely clear to protesters that any shouting abuse to bystanders will be asked to leave the march. It is in the interest of the organisers to show that protesters are well behaved and peaceful.
It is frightening to think some posters defend using terms like Nazi and Scum on a peaceful march.

Yes there is common sense but some prolific posters seem determined to turn opinion into facts.
Don't let them win.

It’s called the right to protest, and everyone is allowed to do so. You may not like what the protestors stand for, but the right to protest, and freedom of speech are both vitally important in a democratic society.

He had an agenda, and he's been called out for it.

@Mercurial123
He had an 'agenda' so he deserved verbal abuse?
These are supposed to be peaceful marches. Of course the protestors have a right to peaceful protest. However the important element is peaceful.
Organisers need to be more proactive in making it clear that anyone who does not protest peacefully will be asked to leave.

Conveniently choosing to ignore the thousands of “openly Jewish” people within the actual protest?

I agree. It’s a shame that there are people on this board who are trying to remove the democratic right to protest.

She's not trolling. Her points are all valid.

This is about one individual

It's not, it's about quite a bit more than that.

This discussion has nothing to do with British Jews having to denounce Israel.

It most certainly is when when we keep having posters telling us we're being paranoid, making it up, lying, etc etc because actually there's some 'good Jews' on the marches so how can there be antisemites there. This has been a running theme on Mumsnet since October in order to minimise valid Jewish fears and detract from a shocking increase in antisemitic incidents in the UK.

It's estimated in the hundreds, not "the thousands".

Except that’s not what’s happening here. We have someone from one group (let’s call them group A) who opposes the beliefs of a different group of people(B). Protests from either group are permitted and have to follow strict protocols in order for their protest to be allowed to take place. That’s in order to keep everyone safe.
The protesting group are only allowed to be in certain areas at certain times. So, group B are protesting. Person from group A decides to make a point against the police, and attempts to walk through group B, accompanied by someone else filming him.
Police stop him as they should, in order to ensure he remains safe. He insists on being allowed to walk through the protest despite police offering to escort him through via a safe route. person A is trying to make a point, police are trying to protect him. If he had insisted on walking through group B, police would have had to use up many officers to provide protection rather than policing the demo, which is what they were there for. He knew precisely what he was doing, and it wasn’t ’just crossing the road’.

Unfortunately, there seems to have been insults from BOTH sides.

They should obviously not be judging people to be on one side or the other based on clothing that simply reflects their religion, such as a kippa or headscarf. They should obviously distinguish between this and badges or clothing that are specifically chosen to show something political. But since they accurately identified this man as a counter protester, what does it matter?

It matters because they're acknowledging that simply BEING JEWISH puts you at risk from protestors. This wouldn't be the case if they believed there wasn't a significant antisemitic presence. It may be a minority, but they are there, and it's a significant minority. That's why it matters. It has implications for all London Jews who have to live and move around London (and indeed all British Jews).

Wow, you think there's no difference between hundreds and thousands? Are you not one of those posters that keeps shouting 'facts matter'?

No and no. It seems the police didn’t do that at all. And the marches will stop when people are no longer allowed to protest.

No the marches will stop when the annihilation of civilians in Gaza stops and people no longer need to protest.

Surreal. And I am referring to your style of posting.

@Coshei Surreal in what way?

You’re assuming that I’m not? Why?

Facts only matter selectively when there’s tokenising to be done.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/neturei-karta

Here you go, the facts: "The group’s participation in a “Holocaust Review” conference in Tehran in December 2006, which was attended by a host of international Holocaust deniers, demonstrated the group’s willingness to meet with the vilest of extremists".