How have we come to a state where the police confront someone for being overtly Jewish?

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Just how?

I think at best this inept policing at worst vile anti semitism.

I suppose it is now in the open that central London has become effectively a no go area for Jews given the potential for abuse from hate marchers.

Can't we just stop these marches so Jews can go about their business?

I think considering the current conflict in isolation from the Oct 7th attacks (or vice versa) is wrongheaded and unhelpful.
What has that got to do with a case investigating genocide? Israel will be found guilty or not guilty based on evidence not what may have happened before. "They made me do it" is not a defence.

Right so you think it's best that everybody stays quiet because you don't trust any respected organisations? With all respect that sounds like a 'you problem', not something you should have any expectation of anybody else following. Most of us believe that independent reviews by UN raconteurs and independent judges play really important roles in truth and justice. Without them what do we have, the word of repulsive people like Netanyahu and Putin?

Talking about the ICJ, apparently people have been misinterpreting their judgement so here is the President of the ICJ clarifying that they didn’t rule the claim of genocide as plausible. It came up on my Twitter feed yesterday and may be of interest.

https://x.com/mr_andrew_fox/status/1783621258032136550?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

I think considering the current conflict in isolation from the Oct 7th attacks (or vice versa) is wrongheaded and unhelpful.
What has that got to do with a case investigating genocide? Israel will be found guilty or not guilty based on evidence not what may have happened before. "They made me do it" is not a defence.

I think your "they made me do it" is their "we are fighting for our existence", and I think the key to solving it all is understanding that properly. (I wonder what Anglo-Welsh relations would currently be if large numbers of either side had rushed over the border 6 months ago, into small towns, raping, burning babies, murdering and kidnapping?)

The big problem, however, is that Hamas are selling their own people down the river and using them as canon fodder while enriching themselves. That is not a conversation that is really happening.

Now now. Clearly rightthink is to jump the gun and call it genocide until ruled otherwise.

Now now you're the one that brought up genocide on this thread and posters were merely highlighting how it was more than just unhelpful rhetoric which you implied

I've taken it out of your own post, toward the end of your 2nd paragraph.

Can you send independent verified evidence for these please.
As the claims have been disproven.

Right so you think it's best that everybody stays quiet because you don't trust any respected organisations?

Where have I said that "everybody" should "stay quiet". I think the anti-Semites should stay quiet, with whatever encouragement from the police and courts is necessary.

With all respect that sounds like a 'you problem', not something you should have any expectation of anybody else following.

Right, because I'm alone in having noticed problems with anti-semitism and overly-tactful denialism in any of the institutions I listed? Did you miss the Momemtum/Corbynite issues and the correction? The silence about the NYE sex attacks in Germany? Etc.

Most of us believe that independent reviews by UN raconteurs and independent judges play really important roles in truth and justice. Without them what do we have, the word of repulsive people like Netanyahu and Putin?

It's like trying to have a nuanced debate with a sledgehammer, it really is.

I've taken it out of your own post, toward the end of your 2nd paragraph.

Can you send independent verified evidence for these please.
As the claims have been disproven.

Of which? The rapes? Or the burning of babies?

Now now you're the one that brought up genocide on this thread and posters were merely highlighting how it was more than just unhelpful rhetoric which you implied

I most certainly did not.

I was replying to somebody else who casually referred to the "genocide".

Both. But the burning babies more importantly.

So you don't think what's going on in Gaza is a genocide?

So to you it's just rhetoric because you don't trust the ICJ, but do you trust Israel's account of things?

I'll never fully trust a Netenyahu government, no. But anti-semitism isn't targeted at Netenyahu supporters. It's targeted at Jews. Gideon F wasn't advised by the police on being "openly a Netenyahu supporter".

Bear with me @hopeandfaith11 I have to scroll back through the thread to see exactly whose use of the term "genocide" I was picking up on and replying to, because @Dulra in his/her wisdom has decided to publish the fiction that I raised the issue of genocide myself.

Another perspective on the interview that former ICJ Judge Donoghue gave to the BBCs Hardtalk show.

There’s a concerted online effort to misrepresent what Donoghue said as dismissing a plausible case of genocide, where it's much more nuanced as this War Studies lecturer ftom King's explains:

https://x.com/Alonso_GD/status/1783782870877712427

I did miss the momentum/corbynite issue, I'm not British nor living in the UK, I presume its some British thing? Nor am I looking to Momentum or Corbynite to speak to genocide, nor was I talking about sex attacks in germany that are completely unrelated to the issue at hand. I was talking about the UN independent raconteurs report and the ICJ.

And yes I thought you did imply that people should stay quiet on attempted genocide, I'm glad to be mistaken and that you have no problem with people highlighting the very real concerns

I'm going to ignore your attempts to insult me, I don't think it helps anyone's argument to stoop to that level.

That seems to be attacking her decision to have an interview, and doesn’t disagree with the technical correction.

I feel like there is a lot of political interference from Israel, and all this meddling in an attempt to distract from the genocide being committed in Gaza is extremely annoying.

There is something sledgehammer-like about suddenly accelerating towards a Putin reference @TextureSeeker

But if you're not British and unaware of the recent issues of anti-semitism being mainstreamed in British public life, it's not surprising the context for the thread (and recent anti semitism in London) is escaping you. Possibly a bit odd that you're posting so ferociously on the subject of London anti-semitism, though.

I'm going to have to come back when I have my tablet. This app is awful for scrolling and searching.

In what form?

I don't disagree that there's a lot I don't know about the Holocaust. In fact it wasn't until my mid 20s that I learned that there were non Jewish victims in the camps as well. I remember being shocked and asking around, non of my friends knew that either. I didn't receive any education on the Holocaust or WW2 in school. My 'education' on it came basically from films such as Schindler's List, TV, Holocaust remembrance day etc. and I have never seen any mention of non Jewish victims in any of that. I expect I am no different from much of the population on this. I did however know that people were killed outside the camps.

We've had what, four posters (?) criticising my post mentioning other victims asking that they are remembered as well. It may not have been the most elegant post, but I think everyone would have gotten the gist. If its of any interest, I've posted the names of Israeli hostages on Gaza threads and asked that they not be forgotten in all this as well. Nobody criticised me doing that on those threads.