This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/15/babies-children-gaza-famine

Continuation of the previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5018751-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-2?page=39&reply=134623626

Who knew one day I would praise Piers Morgan for his questioning!
This spokesperson is so clear on the number of Hamas terrorists killed but no idea about the number of civilians.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6tUgWQsRyw/?igsh=M2lpczVvNnI2MTVm

“Let’s go and destroy Rafah.”
Definitely sounds very controlled and calculated, with lots of respect for civilians.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6tv63JK5l9/?igsh=a2I0NGhnYjVvejUx

These soldiers can change this sentence to “Let’s go and commit genocide” and the USA and UK governments will still not take any action. And we will still have people defending this genocide of Palestinians.

Maher Musalli account on x got deleted after posting this video
the tweet is In Spanish but the video is in English

https://twitter.com/aapayes/status/1788049573845275089?

What was his handle? I can find a lot of people complaining his account got deleted but nothing referencing his actual account or the original video.

The video is linked in the tweet.

Aye a copy of it. What was the original account that was deleted? I can find no reference to the person who apparently made it. Do you know the handle?

No sorry. I’ve never heard about them before

edit to add the original account of the video seems to be this one
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz1iOIwyo3z/?igsh=Y3o3Nm9sNDl0YWt3

Here. I AM OUTRAGED.

I drive past an anti-Israeli invasion protest this week & honked my car horn.

I'm in my 40s, professional. I AM OUTRAGED.

Except the name is different and that's not a twitter account.

Can't help that people are reposting that Maher Musalli is the victim of censorship without actually checking if they ever even existed because it soudns good.

From Haaretz (Israeli newspaper) excerpt from daily briefing:

Opinion |
Chaim Levinson 8 May

Netanyahu and His Gang Prefer Dead Hostages to Happy Leftists

Seven months into the war, the only glue holding the members of this Israeli cult together remains a fathomless hatred for anything they see as 'leftist'

Why should we keep pretending? The gang from Channel 14 TV and die-hard fans of Benjamin Netanyahu would be very happy for the hostages to die in captivity.

The hostages are also witnesses to what happened on October 7th. If there was a security failure that contributed to or increased the scope of the attack it will not be good for Netanyahu.

Why is this ok for some of you? How can you justify what is happening and say it's just the fog of war or collateral damage?

www.instagram.com/p/C6uZy-so5nE/?igsh=MXJyNGZwb3FwZG56Yg==

@anotherlevel

Why is this ok for some of you? It is not okay; no war is okay, especially when it involves children. War is deeply shit,

How can you justify what is happening I don't think anyone is saying this is what should be happening, it is terrible. But this realistically looked to be on the cards of what would happen given Hamas' behaviour, Maybe you should be asking Hamas how they could justify a) behaving like that and b) putting all those children in Gaza at risk

and say it's just the fog of war or collateral damage? I wouldn't say this is "just" anything, which sounds very minimising. I have never even heard the term "fog of war" and I haven't heard anyone use the term "collateral damage" to describe Gaza.

But what do you think war would look like? it is awful .

(answering this person's questions, which is not derailing the thread, before someone tries to shut up an alternative perspective)

I have never even heard the term "fog of war" and I haven't heard anyone use the term "collateral damage" to describe Gaza.
Read back through the threads it has been said multiple times

But what do you think war would look like? it is awful
eh so you are now basically saying it's happening in the fog of war!
This isn't a war this is an annihilation. Starving a population isn't part of war, killing more civilians than fighters isn't war, killing more children in 6 months than the world over in the past 4 years isn't war, displacing 2 million people isn't war. Committing multiple war crimes isn't war.

Greatest democracy in the Middle East with their great politicians - imagine if they were not so great then what would we see :(
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6vbgk1K1tv/?igsh=a25qOGhyZjl3bm14

I need to get my sense of humour checked - there’s something wrong with me that I can’t laugh with these people
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4fpcGVisem/?igsh=bWFsOHpiZndmNHRx

Shame on the USA and their complicity in their genocide - these journalists know they can get away with the murder of Palestinians - the USA support with carry on because these journalists and the right wing politicians are so confident about the Jewish Lobby who influences decisions. Laughing about what is happening and the death of Palestinians as if it is a non issue. Disgusting.

Agree.

No one says that.

Why do people pretend people say that.

Nobody.
yet a search of the word collateral brings 411 comments in this board
fog 77

I've just done the same search and it seems the majority of posts using the term collateral are made by people accusing others of thinking that Palestinian people are collateral damage RATHER than anyone actually saying they are. Have a read of them.... constant accusations of that... post after post. There's a thread about someone thinking people assume they are war collateral damage, and now we have more posts using the term but again NOT saying people are collateral damage. Where does the perception come from?

28 December 2023

1. The Israel Defense Forces tells the BBC that it "regrets the harm caused" to civilians in a strike on a refugee camp in Gaza on 24 December
2. An IDF official told Israeli public broadcaster Kan news that the wrong weaponry was used in the attack, and "extensive collateral damage was caused"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67831997

13 November 2023
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday, November 12, that Palestinian civilians being killed en masse are simply “collateral damage” in his military’s destruction of Gaza.

The right-wing leader appeared on multiple cable news shows to speak on the current state Israel’s monthlong siege on Gaza, which human rights experts have warned amount to ethnic cleansing and war crimes. For much of his appearances, Netanyahu attempted to downplay both his responsibility in the deadly October 7 attack on Israelis as well as his military’s role in killing Palestinians.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/netanyahu-calls-palestinians-collateral-damage-as-israel-destroys-gaza_uk_65520efce4b0373d70b2fa2e

“Collateral Damage” may have originally been an American euphemism:

Targeting civilians is a war crime. But what if there are civilians in or near a legitimate military target? This is where something in the laws of war called "proportionality" comes into play. As in, the military advantage must be proportionate to the loss of civilian life.

In such a case, the U.S. military uses what's called a "collateral damage estimate," or CDE, which determines how many civilians would be killed or wounded when a military target is hit, says Michel Paradis, a human rights lawyer who teaches at Columbia Law School.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/11/1212326333/proportionality-israel-gaza-war-war-crimes

@ScrollingLeaves

I recall the term used in the Iraq war when American troops made mistakes and British troops were killed.

I've not seen posters on here use it to suggest its ok at all. Only to say they think it's happening, so not dismissive of individuals as collateral damage as often implied.

Of course discussing it here will now add to the number and posters often mistakenly assume it means you feel its OK when you don't. You have to chose words very carefully since many are ready to jump on you call a supporter of x y and z when you are often merely replying to a claim made.

@ScrollingLeaves

Thank you for that, it's interesting the way they show how they attempt to reduce civilian deaths.

I imagine most would wish for no wars. I watched the Russian memorial yesterday where they said the lost along the figure of 24 million people in the second world war. Crazy how humans kill each other for religion, power, land, ego, culture, etc. Madness.

It has been said numerous times on these threads over the past six months. None of us are lying about it

@Factsareimportantplease Of course discussing it here will now add to the number and posters often mistakenly assume it means you feel its OK when you don't. You have to chose words very carefully since many are ready to jump on you call a supporter of x y and z when you are often merely replying to a claim made.

This may be your opinion but there have been posters on these threads that were talking about deaths being collateral damage and a part of war as a way of minimising and excusing what was happening