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ConnieCounter · 22/06/2024 21:35

ScrollingLeaves · 22/06/2024 20:24

@ConnieCounter I don’t think the video was fake, but what
Vittuunterroristit · 19/06/2024 22:13
probably meant was that it was a compilation of remarks selected for their racism, and giving the impression that these remarks are typical of all Israelis, which is not true.

So, say the interviewer had come across an Israeli peace campaigner, or anyone with relatively moderate views, they simply would not have included them in the video, or would have edited them out later.

Or, maybe they went to interview people from a group they knew would most likely all have these views, like the people on the Flag day procession.

Maybe. She said there were no views along the lines you mention expressed. I'm not familiar with her so I'm not going to defend her but the video provides balance against those who repeatedly claim that Gazans are Hamas and other similar claims ad nauseum.

I was asking the question of that poster because suggesting it's AI or whatever isn't reasonable without any proof.

EasterIssland · 22/06/2024 21:42

ScrollingLeaves · 22/06/2024 21:33

@EasterIssland · Today 21:28
I am sorry, I should have looked.
After just seeing it, far away and uninvolved though I am, it is so shocking.

No don’t worry. Too many threads. If anyone wants to read the report it’s on that thread

I was just upset about 355 bullets hit the car. And from the investigation seems like idf was aware there were kids in the car and yet 355

Vittuunterroristit · 22/06/2024 21:56

ConnieCounter · 22/06/2024 21:35

Maybe. She said there were no views along the lines you mention expressed. I'm not familiar with her so I'm not going to defend her but the video provides balance against those who repeatedly claim that Gazans are Hamas and other similar claims ad nauseum.

I was asking the question of that poster because suggesting it's AI or whatever isn't reasonable without any proof.

Yeah she said she couldn't find a non-racist Israeli. She also says Hamas are resistance fighters defending themselves against a Nazi army so maybe I won't quite take her at her word.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/06/2024 22:04

ConnieCounter · 22/06/2024 21:35

Maybe. She said there were no views along the lines you mention expressed. I'm not familiar with her so I'm not going to defend her but the video provides balance against those who repeatedly claim that Gazans are Hamas and other similar claims ad nauseum.

I was asking the question of that poster because suggesting it's AI or whatever isn't reasonable without any proof.

Sorry to have answered about the wrong part.

You are right, just responding that the video must be fake/ AI because it shows one Israeli in the interviews saying, ‘The only answer is to carpet bomb them’, and others saying objectional things about Palestinians, is not reasonable without proof.

MoMo999 · 22/06/2024 22:05

ConnieCounter · 21/06/2024 16:33

Agree. And the amount of hate speech that's deemed OK is frankly disturbing at this stage.

I think there are a small number of regular posters who are under the mistaken impression they are speaking to a silent majority who read but don't post. That's why the aggressive hasbara deliberately gets ratched up to support a false narrative, whilst of course pretending to be on the receiving end of aggressive comments.

That's also why it is important not to engage with baiters whose sole purpose is to try to engineer cancelling -hence why there are such tantrums when ignored.

Hate speech also happens as the moderation is inconsistent. Surprisingly, in my experience, X/ twitter is better at deleting that propaganda nonsense whilst enabling free speech. It is also definitely an advantage to be able to block people - rather than have to look out for their names at the top of a post, refuse to read them and scroll on.

Fortunately most people are using their eyes and ears and can see through hate propaganda. Ultimately, this can only help bring peace to the civilians of Gaza.

I am also not a fan of hidden gratitude. Several of my post get many likes - I'd be happy for these to be public as it would also help shut down some nonsense - it is weird these are not public.

PeasfullPerson · 22/06/2024 22:27

EasterIssland · 22/06/2024 21:42

No don’t worry. Too many threads. If anyone wants to read the report it’s on that thread

I was just upset about 355 bullets hit the car. And from the investigation seems like idf was aware there were kids in the car and yet 355

I’ve not had a chance to read this yet. All I can now think of is

Why 355 bullets.

EasterIssland · 22/06/2024 22:38

Apologies. 335. Not that it’s any better

PeasfullPerson · 22/06/2024 22:39

Thanks for the correction. It’s still horrendous, but perhaps someone will be along in a minute to say how this makes
it all OK.

anotherlevel · 22/06/2024 22:57

GRAPHIC CONTENT

Another attack that has taken place in the Al Shujaya neighbourhood in North Gaza. In the video they are searching for the missing parts of a beheaded girl.

Please do not open if you're finding it too hard because it really is upsetting and you're already in agreement that this is a crime and a genocide.

If, however, you justify it then open your eyes. Please.

www.instagram.com/reel/C8hE9XetI2P/?igsh=eGZ2bHZsa3R4c3h3

ScrollingLeaves · 22/06/2024 23:04

PeasfullPerson · Today 22:27
I’ve not had a chance to read this yet. All I can now think of is

Why 355 bullets.

I am not sure why.

The Earshot forensic
team were able to work out the number and speed of bullets from background noise of shooting during the telephone call. They said that was only possible from a certain type of gun the IDF but not Hamas are using.

@PeasfullPerson I watched the film
‘The Night Won’t End’: Biden’s War on Gaza 29/30 minutes in.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/fault-lines/2024/6/21/the-night-wont-end-bidens-war-on-gaza-2

‘The Night Won’t End’: Biden’s War on Gaza

Fault Lines investigates killings of civilians by the Israeli military in Gaza and the United States’s role in the war.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/fault-lines/2024/6/21/the-night-wont-end-bidens-war-on-gaza-2

ConnieCounter · 22/06/2024 23:04

anotherlevel · 22/06/2024 22:57

GRAPHIC CONTENT

Another attack that has taken place in the Al Shujaya neighbourhood in North Gaza. In the video they are searching for the missing parts of a beheaded girl.

Please do not open if you're finding it too hard because it really is upsetting and you're already in agreement that this is a crime and a genocide.

If, however, you justify it then open your eyes. Please.

www.instagram.com/reel/C8hE9XetI2P/?igsh=eGZ2bHZsa3R4c3h3

Jesus Christ. I managed about 10 seconds of that. Absolute barbarity.

EasterIssland · 22/06/2024 23:38

Scirocco · 22/06/2024 23:34

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

Doesn't seem particularly moral to me.

Can you see the ambulance on the picture ?

from the news
”The individual was eventually transferred to the Red Crescent for treatment”

no , it wasn’t that ambulance he was transferred to

also a note to those saying they’re at war. This is West Bank. Not at war (or so do they say despite idf is behaving as if they were)

ConnieCounter · 22/06/2024 23:42

Disgraceful, but it's what we expect from the IDF at this stage.

I'm not sure why people who support the IDF justify the killings of Palestinians by saying Hamas use them as human shields when we have so many documented examples of the IDF doing it.

MoMo999 · 23/06/2024 00:02

ConnieCounter · 22/06/2024 23:42

Disgraceful, but it's what we expect from the IDF at this stage.

I'm not sure why people who support the IDF justify the killings of Palestinians by saying Hamas use them as human shields when we have so many documented examples of the IDF doing it.

I think that is an absurd argument anyway re Hamas doing it. Imagine if there was a hostage situation in Britain and the hostage takers tried to use hostages as human shields? Does anyone in their right minds think the British police would open fire? Of course not.

What is being said is the equivalent of saying I commit war crimes because you make me do it. Now who else says they are violent to someone because that person made them angry...... oh that is right, people who are considered abusive.

anotherlevel · 23/06/2024 14:02

ConnieCounter · 22/06/2024 23:42

Disgraceful, but it's what we expect from the IDF at this stage.

I'm not sure why people who support the IDF justify the killings of Palestinians by saying Hamas use them as human shields when we have so many documented examples of the IDF doing it.

And here's the latest example

www.instagram.com/p/C8hUOaEAoUo/?igsh=MXh6bW9ua3o0cmtobA==

ScrollingLeaves · 23/06/2024 14:09

I wonder what will become of this latest IDF war crime self-investigation?

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MoMo999 · 23/06/2024 21:18

ScrollingLeaves · 23/06/2024 14:09

I wonder what will become of this latest IDF war crime self-investigation?

Honestly I am so fed up with hearing that a country being tried for genocide by the ICJ is always the innocent victim, rather than also being an aggressor that commits its share of war crimes in this situation. It is baffling how blinkered some people can be.

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Oh fuck I really hope this turns out to be fake news. Jesus.

poshsnobtwit · 23/06/2024 21:43

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 21:36

Oh fuck I really hope this turns out to be fake news. Jesus.

This has reminded me of an ex IDF soldier who spoke out about dogs being used to lick the genitals of detainees, including children :-(

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 21:44

poshsnobtwit · 23/06/2024 21:43

This has reminded me of an ex IDF soldier who spoke out about dogs being used to lick the genitals of detainees, including children :-(

Oh my God I never heard that.

anotherlevel · 23/06/2024 21:49

@ConnieCounter Same I'm really hoping it is too.

anotherlevel · 23/06/2024 21:50

@poshsnobtwit Absolutely barbaric. Those poor people and children.

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