To say the London Palestinian marches should be stopped

[KarmaCaramello]

They are weekly marches found to be organised by organisations with links to Hamas, and at least one ex Hamas member.

They are supporting a terrorist organisation that has just committed the deadliest day in Israel’s history. An Iranian dissident was arrested for holding a sign saying Hamas is Terrorist, despite the fact that they are a UK-designated terrorist organisation - because protestors assaulted him on seeing the sign.

If they were calling for peace and fewer casualties they would be condemning Hamas and calling for them to surrender.

AIBU to think this is deeply disturbing and has no place on the streets of London. Note - terrorist support is illegal and not protected speech.

They do not need to support Israel to the point of not calling them out for war crimes and illegality in order to support negotiations for hostage release.

It is a debate so I asked for your views on what is happening in Gaza. That's all.
It is, of course, your right not to answer but no answer is also an answer.

This thread is about the marches

Oh no, did I insult the scum lining the streets hiding behind their shemaghs while waving their swastikas and chanting for the evisceration of the Jewish State?
How dreadful.
Please let me know how I can acquiesce to your expectations and validate my comments in a manner that you find acceptable.

Alternatively you can wind your neck in and stop trying to police the language of something that wasn't directed at you, in response to you, or indeed, anything to do with you.

@ohlookimbackagain

Very much so:

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/20/uk-government-yemen-war-saudi-arabia-westminster

Also the scale of military sales from the UK to Saudi is massively higher at £8.5 billion a year compared to £43 million a year to Israel.

But anyway no one seemed bothered to protest about this one.

Oh, so if they were to do that, people would immediately stop protesting? 🤔

Do you realise how your posts are coming across @Auvergne63? You can make a point without resorting to goady, offensive behaviour. Constantly demanding that people explain their reasoning, answer your questions, show their evidence is totally unnecessary.

But this thread is about the marches, I was simply agreeing with @INeedAnotherName

Hamas is, indeed, very open about their plans for genocide. PA is, indeed, very fond of Hamas's successes on the 7th.
Israel, including Israeli Arabs, never had and hopefully will never have a policy of wiping out Arabs and arabic culture. Jewish heritage is systematically destroyed in the region.
Genocide has its definition.

And to address some of the usual talking points:

1. I have no problem with Dresden bombings. Only people who do not have knowledge about Eastern Front (and you are a majority, don't worry) can have any doubts.
2. Ireland is not the only country, even in Europe, with the history of oppression. And comparing IRA to Hamas is a real disservice to IRA.
3. There are many places in the world you can call a prison. One of them being Chechnya. When they started their fight for independence it was a country of laid back muslims, tolerant for other ways of living. Putin installed there regime similar to the Iranian one, and no one can just leave or come in. However, hate preachers and ISIS recruiters magically could find their way. They would probably be happy to have the same open door prison as Palestinians before the war Hamas started. And the same supply of European money.

did I miss something?

Well I march so of course, I find your language insulting and I find your responses just plain rude.

Although the poster who posted twice telling people (one of whom was me) to "shut up" was not berated by you for being rude.

The irony! It's a debate. It is how you conduct a debate. You asked questions, you present counter arguments and so forth.

Wow, I wasn't aware I had to fight your battles! Yes, they were rude and I assumed (wrongly) that you wouldn't need help to deal with this poster.

Not sure what any of that has to do with what i said but whatever

Anyone joining the ST Georges Day march on the 23rd? I suspect trouble ahead with that one.There is a high feeling of resentment in our country about all sorts and the UK citizens have been left trampled on for too long never mind the other marchers.

Well you have a very different interpretation of ' debate ' to me . Even politicians on newsnight manage to get their points across respectfully, without resulting to insults and offensive behaviour. A word of advice -It cheapens whatever argument you may have.

Please show me where I have used insults and showed offensive behaviours.

Being opposed to the slaughter of women and children in Gaza does not equate to supporting Hamas.

Please do let me know if you need that in words of one syllable or less.

Apologists for terrorism and antisemitism are allowed to continue demonstrating, and ordinary Jewish people are so intimidated that they are afraid to leave the house. It makes me sick to my stomach, and I don’t understand why it’s classed as legitimate protest rather than incitement of racial hatred.

YABVU 6 months of collective punishment.

This made me laugh! Thanks for that.
To be honest, I should have known better than to post on this thread. It appears that debating is not allowed on here, unless you agree with living in a fascist state where you can only protest for the "right cause".
What I find ironic is all of us have rights now that have been earned through protests. I am sure lots of people were offended/intimidated by these. I am glad they went ahead though so now women can vote, we enjoy paid holidays, children don't have to work in mines and so many more.

Demonstrating against an apartheid regime committing genocide should 💯 be allowed. The murder in excess of 33,000 Palestinians makes ME sick to my stomach.

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The irony! Accusing other posters of using insulting language whilst calling them genocide supporters, which is grossly offensive. The double standards! Invoking the Holocaust to accuse other posters of being genocide supporters under the guise of ‘debate’ whilst proclaiming your parents’ experience of Nazi occupation makes you automatically exempt from criticism even when in the act of resorting to tropes.