To say the London Palestinian marches should be stopped

[KarmaCaramello]

They are weekly marches found to be organised by organisations with links to Hamas, and at least one ex Hamas member.

They are supporting a terrorist organisation that has just committed the deadliest day in Israel’s history. An Iranian dissident was arrested for holding a sign saying Hamas is Terrorist, despite the fact that they are a UK-designated terrorist organisation - because protestors assaulted him on seeing the sign.

If they were calling for peace and fewer casualties they would be condemning Hamas and calling for them to surrender.

AIBU to think this is deeply disturbing and has no place on the streets of London. Note - terrorist support is illegal and not protected speech.

Come on. Give Israel some credit. The Israeli government is not stupid. They know that the USA and others would not accept them murdering Gazans in one go. This doesn't mean that they don't wish to do so, after all they have been loud and clear with their intentions.
So instead they are starving them, which leads to diseases, which cannot be treated because medication/antibiotics are not allowed to enter Gaza.
I wish this was not the case. Machiavelli would be proud.

The irony!

More effective in getting a message over to the British government....? Is there a reason why you're suggesting people cannot protest in their own country? 🤨

Edited to add: the sheer ignorance of people acting as though you can just swan into Gaza right now 🙄

Genocide is what Hamas wants for Israel. 7/10 is a small window in to what they would love to do given the resources. All this "River to the sea" stuff spouted is just euphemism for killing, or at least removing Jews from Israel. Israel are acting to stop a genocide, and like I said, their people suffered true genocide within living memory and they're damned sure not to suffer one again.

Thanks but could you, please, answer my question? You, obviously, don't have too but not responding is in itself an answer, of course.

Exactly.

Answer what question

Funny that when the "War On Terror" strode into the Middle East and wiped out just shy of half a million civilians, it wasn't genocide.

When the Jews respond to the rape and massacre of their women and children though, and kill 32k people with a civilian to combatant ratio far lower than any other modern war, that's genocide, because genocide has a very specific meaning to the jews so its a useful tool for the antisemites.

Fuck them, and get them off the streets.

I'm not saying they CANNOT protest. I'm merely saying that, to exact more change, it would be more effective to protest against the Israeli govt in Gaza, surely?

Oh, and we're not ignorant to the idea that 'you can just swan into Gaza right now'. We know you can't - we also know that protesting in Britain instead is futile.

Both things can be true at the same time.

My view is that they can protest, as is people's right in Britain. However, any Hamas support, "River to the Sea" singing, swastikas' flying, star of David defiling should be stamped on with criminal charges.

And just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Its just wrong and has become a massive lefty band wagon.

I believe that "river to the sea" is also used by the Israeli government. Is it also an "euphemism for killing" Palestinians or just a perfectly innocent phrase?
Israel are acting to stop a genocide.
I shall leave this to the courts to decide on this but be prepared to have your illusions shattered.
their people suffered true genocide.
What defines a true genocide? More accurately, what credentials ( international law expert/ academic/ human rights specialist, etc) do you have to be able to state that what is happening in Gaza is not a genocide?

This I agree with.

Do you support what is happening in Gaza?

Fuck them, and get them off the streets.
Have you run out of valid counter arguments so you have to resort to insults?

we also know that protesting in Britain instead is futile.
Well it worked when it was against the apartheid system in SA.

I don't know why you are specifically asking me that question.

You'll notice on most threads about Israel/Gaza my focus is more on the response and what is happening over here particularly in relation to the Jewish community. I very rarely comment on the actual conflict

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Once again they're protesting the BRITISH governments support for the actions of the Israeli government. You have not explained how that is futile.

I believe that "river to the sea" is also used by the Israeli government. Is it also an "euphemism for killing" Palestinians or just a perfectly innocent phrase?

didnt your mum and dad ever tell you that two wrongs dont make a right?

Shall I repeat myself?

Where we backing the Saudi’s? (Genuine question - I know nothing about the Yemeni Civil War)

It's futile because your issue is with Israel. So take it up with their govt! Oh, I forgot, you can't!

The UK supports Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas, which is still holding hostages in Gaza.

If they suddenly withdrew 'support' - like protesters are demanding - people would then be condemning them for 'not caring about hostages'. So damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I'd prefer it if Hamas handed back the hostages and agreed to never carry out attacks on Israel again, particularly in the image of 7/10, allowing Israel to ceasefire. Until that time, I can't see how they can, or it will just happen again.

There's an article in the guardian by Owen Jones about this. Sorry I don't know how to do links. It's a couple of years old but quite interesting.

My parents both suffered under the Nazi occupation as did the rest of my family.
My great uncle hid Jewish people and my great aunt was a resistant who was arrested, tortured and sent to Auschwitz.
Trust me, my parents taught me well.
Please do not refer to them again.