To say the London Palestinian marches should be stopped

[KarmaCaramello]

They are weekly marches found to be organised by organisations with links to Hamas, and at least one ex Hamas member.

They are supporting a terrorist organisation that has just committed the deadliest day in Israel’s history. An Iranian dissident was arrested for holding a sign saying Hamas is Terrorist, despite the fact that they are a UK-designated terrorist organisation - because protestors assaulted him on seeing the sign.

If they were calling for peace and fewer casualties they would be condemning Hamas and calling for them to surrender.

AIBU to think this is deeply disturbing and has no place on the streets of London. Note - terrorist support is illegal and not protected speech.

A kippah, a cross, a turban, a Keffiyeh or a Millwall shirt. If fact any group that has resorted to violence in the name of their nonsense beliefs I'd class as a gang.

The random cop feared big bad Muslims would hurt the Jewish man. Random cop’s fear of Muslims doesn’t make the danger to safety real.

Oh just get lost

In polite terms, You're going out of your way to stretch here aren't you? What do you hope to achieve by making such inflammatory statements? How do you know what anyone was thinking/ fearing?

Comedycook What would you call a group of people who believe in sky fairies, who say they believe that theirs the one true sky fairy and all the others are wrong and then resort to violence to reinforce the point that their sky fairy is the best? Sane?
I'd call them a gang, I'll call them thugs, personally I think they are a bit deranged and anyone who wears their gang colours is just advertising the fact.
These protests are about stopping a war that is about greed. People are sick and tired that people are being killed so that a small minority can have more land, more resources and more shiny things on the back of innocent peoples lives. There are no good guys in this war just greedy bastards who want more and don't care about who dies so they can get it. And just to clarify I mean Hamas, I mean the Israeli Government, I mean the West and all the other people who profit from this.

This thread is getting fucking stupid now

It's utterly bizarre.

There are plenty of things about this world that disturb me, people marching because they are upset that our government supports the mass killing of innocent civilians isn’t one of them.

Trying to link the marches to Hamas is a low blow.

The posts are certainly getting more ridiculous. I'm sure some posters will be along soon to try and justify the nonsense and contextualize the hatred.

@Lampy123678

"I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why anyone would walk through a march? 🥴 I've literally never. I've always either taken a detour or waited until the crowds pass which is what he was asked to do and he was refusing"

If you listen to the link then yes he requested to walk through the march and was refused by the police. He was then told that as he is openly Jewish then this could incite the protesters. Then the police wanted him to leave the area for his own safety escorted by the police. He refused to leave the area by the side of the March. The police then said if I
he refused to leave the area by the side of the march then he would be arrested.

@BabaBarrio

"The random cop feared big bad Muslims would hurt the Jewish man. Random cop’s fear of Muslims doesn’t make the danger to safety real."

If you look at the period 5:11 to 5:32 in the video then you will see that the Jewish man was told by a protestor that he would follow him around and that the police would not always be there for him. Now that looks like a fairly real threat to safety to me.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/met-police-officer-threatens-arrest-jewish-man-breach-peace-pro-palestine-march/

Protestors also shouted Nazi and scum at him.

The man points out that these marches take place every Saturday, in different parts of London each week so people don't know where they will be. Is that true? The marches are also pretty big, so it's presumably not just a matter of waiting a few minutes for them to go.

It's completely unacceptable that Jewish people aren't able to walk freely in some part of London every Saturday for 6 months. That they are expected to hide the fact they're Jewish even down to not wearing something required by their religion. Fucking hell.

He might well have filmed this to draw attention to the situation. He's right to.

People are saying there are no no-go areas for Jews, no anti-semitism at the marches, and both those things are clearly bullshit. The marches need to stop.

And it's outrageous comparing a football club to a religion and ethnic group.

There are no laws protecting from discrimination on the basis of football club membership, and you might want to think about why that is.

I didn't say anything about any ethnic group and anyone can convert to any religion or football team for that matter. I don't think my comparison is outrageous at all. They both other themselves by the wearing of gang colours, they both believe in made up ideas that their team is "better" than another team. They both attract people who must be a bit nutty as they base much of their own identity on their team and being part of that gang. Should religion have laws protecting them from discrimination, personally I think there show be more mental help services available to them. Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have the Ten Commandments as part of their storybooks so maybe I'd have a bit more respect for them if they didn't keep breaking "Thou shall not kill" part of their rulebook. These marches are trying to promote that message and whilst religion is being used a a tool for justifying greed then I will judge those gangs for what they are. Hypocrites.

@statsfun I'm not in London, so this might not be the same... We have events in different places, partly to ensure that we aren't creating areas of town or city centres that people can't access for other purposes. Marches and events create disruption, and it wouldn't be acceptable to the council etc to hold a weekly demonstration in one place every time - that creates a disproportionate burden on businesses, residents, etc as well as preventing other people accessing things in the area. We also publicise march routes, demonstration locations, etc and that information has to be publicly available and specifically approved by the police and council - if any concerns are raised, we have to take those into consideration and make adjustments where needed.

The majority of marches and events where I am also have regular spaces within the groups marching, so that people can cross to the other side of the road - people might need to wait a couple of minutes but not much more than that.

Our part of the country has a long history of protests and marches for a huge number of causes and organisations. The majority of antisocial behaviours, racism and other prejudices which occur, actually arise from the right-wing events and the parades held by some organisations affiliated with Christianity. These are also regular, publicised events, which people have a legal right to hold and attend. I've previously experienced abuse from people attending these. If I want to avoid being in the vicinity of an event, it's fairly straightforward to check the route online and plan my day or weekend accordingly.

@titbumwillypoo Judaism is an ethno-religion hence the references to ethnicity. You can’t really choose your ethnicity.
I agree however that religion is being used as a tool by groups of extremists to further their own agenda; but the problem isn’t religion it’s people.
I do not have any official statistics but I’m pretty sure that the majority of people who believe in ‘sky fairies’ do not use their faith to murder and abuse others.

Just read the Mets apology for their apology.

The situation seems to me have parallels with the police telling women to stay indoors in northern England in the 70s when Peter Sutcliffe was at large. Even then people suggested maybe it was men that should stay off the streets.

If you have to keep people safe by curtailing their liberties, maybe you are doing it wrong ?

Amazing that anti-Semitism is genuinely being framed on here as Islamophobia. Absolutely amazing. People can't even see anti-Semitism when it's blatant and pointed out to them. Can't see what you don't want to see, I suppose.

@Scirocco

"If I want to avoid being in the vicinity of an event, it's fairly straightforward to check the route online and plan my day or weekend accordingly."

Whilst that is the reality of the situation, the principle of the situation is that you shouldn't have to avoid being in the vicinity of an event for your own safety simply because you are "visibly" Muslim, Jewish, Christian or visibly black, brown or white.

Some posters link anti-Semitism with anyone speaking out about the actions of the Israeli government. Which isn't anti-Semitic.

This is another thing endlessly thrown at us. No one thinks criticising the Israeli government on its own is anti semetic. I had this in real life....a distant in law who ranted at me about the situation in Israel/Gaza whilst I listened silently and then had the nerve to tell me they couldn't say anything without being called anti semetic.

Actually on this forum lots of posters get accused of being anti semetic for criticising the Israeli government. It happens all the time. It happens throughout the media and social media.

No they don't. Not for that alone. And when you usually look closer, there will usually be another reason. It's subtle. It's like racism. Many people seem to believe that unless actual racist slurs or anti semetic slurs are being screamed at someone, then it doesn't exist. No one, absolutely no one, ever admits to being anti semetic or racist. They are extremely ugly words.

We must read different posts.

No they don't, and no it doesn't happen all the time. If you believe that, then I can only suggest you don't understand how antisemitism manifests itself. It doesn't just mean explicitly shouting 'I hate Jews'. It would be far easier to stomach than the insidious, goady, coded stuff if it did, trust me. The Oxford dictionary definition of antisemitism includes "hostility towards Jewish people". This forum is foul with it.

However, if you do truly believe that posters on this forum are being accused of being antisemitic for criticising the Israeli Government, can you provide some examples? Shouldn't be hard to find, since, as you say, it's apparently happening "all the time".