To think that the blame lies with Hamas and Israel deserves our support

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Of course, the deaths of the aid workers recently is a terrible tragedy and it is entirely right that Israel is investigating why it happened and holding members of the IDF responsible.

However, the criticism of Israel seems to miss a fundamentally important point which is that Israel is engaged in military operations in Gaza for one reason only: the barbaric terrorist attacks that were committed by Hamas on 7 October and their continued imprisonment of Israel citizens as hostages.

Of course, the deaths of the aid workers is a tragedy. Every civilian death that occurs in a war is a tragedy. But the reality is that that is what happens in a war, and Hamas is responsible for the fact that there is a war.

The war can be ended, and billions of dollars of aid can be released into Gaza, very simply. Hamas simply needs to lay down its arms and release the Israeli citizens that it has taken hostage and continues to keep imprisoned.

Unless and until Hamas do that, the state of Israel deserves our continuing support in its battle against a brutal terrorist organisation that has kidnapped the innocent civilians of a democratic state.

Nothing justifies the disgusting actions of Israel, either before or after October.

No one without Israeli bias thinks Israel’s actions are justified anymore.

I am aware that this is a gross over simplification, but basically, two wrongs do not make a right.

The more Hamas get hit, the better. They made their own supporters bomb targets - supporters in Palestine, not the ones in uk (yet).

Hamas ain’t pretty. They won’t go away. So sad - someone’s gotta clean the place up.

Israel is doing the world a bitter, necessary service.

If you can’t see that, remember a lot of Europe stuck up for Hitler for several
years using the same line Hamas rely on them to spout ‘don’t touch the poor innocent populace ’.

In simple terms, please refer to my original post.

It is a tragedy when innocent women and children starve or are killed.

But that is what happens in a war.

Why is there a war?

Because Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October and kidnapped hundreds of Israeli citizens.

Hamas is responsible for the fact that there is a war.

Yes, there is context. There is context behind any war. But that is the reason that there is presently a war.

How on earth could anyone support that.
Israeli government claims they’re either targeting terrorists or the deaths are accidental. It’s bullshit, and the WHOLE world knows it.

There is a theory that the October 7 atrocities were intended to provoke the war that followed. It certainly seems that Palestine had a vast subterranean network ready for a siege. They also appear to have had many years of a) lots of international financial aid and b) lots of food aid, which doesn't seem to have improved their economic or food stability. In addition, there is the fact that Hamas is the government - not recognised by US or UK - and military Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation, and this has been the situation for some time.

The human suffering in Gaza is horrifying. But on this occasion, that is the outcome of a war triggered by horrendous atrocities. Nobody else in the area appears to be prepared to open their borders to the Palestianians, and Israel can hardly be held responsible for that.

I have long felt the Palestinians are in an incredibly difficult position, and that Israel has been trying to acquire the whole area by attrition. But October 7 and what's followed has shifted my sympathies.

You are absolutely 100% correct - gross oversimplification

If you read my post in full, it will be blatantly obvious to you.

Your OP doesn't explain the rationale - military or political - behind killing and starving women and children as an act of self defence.

Please explain.

You can’t bomb an ideology out of existence .. it’s not worked with ISIS, and it’s not going to work with Hammas.
An ideolody is intangible, it can’t be destroyed with rockets and bombs.

Netanyahu knows this, he is collectively punishing and wiping out an entire group of people, not because he thinks it will destroy Hammas (he knows it can’t), but rather to appeal to the Nationalists in his own country, and to get his hands on more land.

Hamas needs to stop chucking its children at bombs. They can do it today. Why aren’t they?

Israel should be doing everything they can to minimise the effect of war on innocent civilians. Why aren't they I wonder?

This post is in really bad taste. This is over 13,000 real children who were loved and cherished that we are talking about. They weren't 'chucked' anywhere. Most of them were tucked up in bed with their parents when they were bombed to death. The flippancy of your post is disgusting.

I think most people would agree that Hamas are evil. So we should therefore be trying to protect the innocent people living under them. Not starving them. Israel are committing war crimes, the Israeli government is no better than Hamas

Bombs worked nicely on Nazism. Sympathisers abroad were imprisoned (England) or shot (everywhere else). A lot committed suicide.

Seemed to do the trick.

Bad taste is bombing your subscribers’ kids.

Not pointing it out.

OP, you are not being unreasonable at all!

I am surprised that Hamas are getting such a free pass ( and active celebration from some quarters) when they knowingly and deliberately provoked a violent response from Israel by launching such a unspeakably hellish attack. They knew violence would follow and have spoke of those being killed since as ‘martyrs’ even though those people never consented to becoming such. They deserve absolute condemnation.

I think this is a separate issue to what one feels about what Israel has since done.

I don't know why I'm engaging with this rubbish but whatever - can you explain how the women and children murdered were identified as Hamas supporters? The people who are being starved to death, are they card carrying Hamas supporters? You may not be aware but Germany still exists, WW2 was not about wiping out an entire nation as is absolutely clearly the intention of the Israeli government here.

I don’t see how you can reasonably argue that a group which planned and carried out a mass racist terrorist attack of unbelievable brutality are not a terrorist group.

What next? People who cut and style hair are not hair dressers?

Can I ask a question. Have the Muslim countries that surround Israel/Palestine condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation or done anything to minimise their influence in the region?

You're a nasty piece of work.