"The only purpose of these marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part three)

[stomachamelon]

Carrying on from part two....

What a strange comment which doesn’t seem to directly relate to anything I’ve said. I haven’t seen your user name before.

What do you expect to play out? And what is the question that you expect to be answered?

@PeasfullPerson sorry, I thought my post was clear - I was commenting on your response to a pp about the group intimidating the autistic child and mother at costa. As for my username, I'm not sure what you're implying? As far as I'm aware posters are allowed to contribute to any thread they may have an interest in?

@CatsKnowTheAnswer you mean the incident I condoned, and for which I hoped the mothers post might highlight to some the impact of their actions.

You expected a question to be answered. What was the question and how will it be answered?

@PeasfullPerson that's the one! I haven't asked you a question?

@CatsKnowTheAnswer you said you will have to see how it plays out and then we will have our answer. If you don’t want to explain what you meant don’t worry about it.

I will reiterate that I think trying to get people to think about the impact of their actions and the perspectives of other people can be helpful in reducing antisocial behaviour. I am not pleased this mother had the need to post about the way her and her child were intimidated, but I’m pleased she did.

I’m not sure why this was such a contentious issue that some people tried to twist into something else. But as I’ve said before, because I generally support the marches, don’t agree with the Israeli response, and don’t call the people who march derogatory names, I’m not particularly popular on this board!

Also I meant to write condemned in my last post, not condoned.

@PeasfullPerson

People shouldn't have to experience horrible events and then publicly talk about them for others to understand the consequences of their own actions. People should be able to realise off their own backs that harassing and intimidating people outside somewhere like Costa is never ok, even if no autistic children were negatively impacted. Jews have been talking about feeling intimidated by it for months, but you only care now that it's an autistic child who is suffering. Why is that?

No one twisted anything you said. People have to be allowed to disagree with you without you accusing them of twisting your words and then going on about not being very popular on the board.

And on it goes.

Don't worry @PeasfullPerson , we've all noted your non-response to my question of why Jewish concern has been ignored. Of why it took non-Jews being adversely affected for people to listen. Maybe you will now finally heed your own advice and learn from it, learn that Jews matter too. Our opinions and feelings also count. Maybe you'll have learned to listen to us a bit more moving forward.

One can but hope.

What happened on Oct 7 was terrible and would not have been ignored - except that unfortunately it was quickly dwarfed by the sheer scale of the massive horror and trauma perpetrated on the innocent children of Gaza. A trauma that continues even as we speak. So that’s the priority for most onlookers now.

Hence the large and regular protests.

Until these criminal acts stop.

Here here.

Thanks for the list of protest rules. I'll try to keep that in mind while thinking about the fact that 30,000 people have been murdered and thousands more are starving to death because Israel is a vengeful apartheid state.

@Humdingerydoo I asked myself the question you've just asked there - why did I feel angry enough about this specific instance that I posted on here in response to it rather than just doing what I usually do and discuss these things away from here?

I've concluded that it's the personal element - I have personal experience of being one of the people in that situation, as autism and neurodiversity are part of my life. I could feel that situation, I've been there when a safe space became unsafe, where sensory overload triggered a meltdown.

While we're all human and should be able to relate and empathise with each other on that level, some shared experiences connect more deeply than others, often the ones we've already got experience of. For me, it wasn't about the faith or ethnicity, it was a neurodiverse family like mine. That, in top of the usual empathy and concerns that I discuss elsewhere, privately, resulted in a stronger initial reaction.

I suppose that reinforces to me the importance of continuing interfaith communication and wider work on inclusion - we need to have as many different people as possible communicating so that everyone's personal experiences can get that same intensity of reaction considered.

@Scirocco I am not being patronising but such a good post.

From one neurodiverse family to another (which brings with it a whole new dimension of worry) thank you.

Thanks, @stomachamelon . I do worry sometimes that I just ramble on.

You often say things I know I don't/
Would be able to articulate very well.
Calm in the storm...

Who even makes up these thread titles 😵‍💫

Oh good, back to whinging about the title.

@NostalgiaWarning Richard littlejohn.

Good morning @Humdingerydoo I’m not sure why you say I don’t listen to you when I am here on most days, despite all the name calling, swearing, and bias I experience, for which none of you defend me from.

I didn’t say anything in answer to your question, because even when I try to empathise and condemn inappropriate behaviour I apparently don’t do it in the right way and I get verbally attacked.

Further to this many (not all) people on this board frequently visit the ones where people support Palestine and interject with off topic subjects to change the narrative, and try to legitimise the suffering of Palestinians as just one of those things that happens in war.

Despite this I know you are just a small cohort of people that aren’t representative of Jewish people in general, or people that support Israel, so I try to stop this from damaging the empathy I have for people who are experiencing hate and discrimination, and stay open to learning about different perspectives.

Unfortunately something incredibly disturbing happened to me in real life when I advocated for empathy for people in Gaza. This made it harder for me to initially speak out against antisemitism, because I felt as though I was being pushed to agree with a particular narrative and that my voice was being taken away from me. So if I didn’t say enough, or as much as you would have liked then, as much as I wish this experience didn’t have an impact on me like that, it did. So no I am not antisemitic, I am someone who has in real life been victimised for their views.

@PeasfullPerson I'm sorry you've experienced that. If you need to talk, I'm here (on and off most days).

Thank you @Scirocco

El-Kurd is Back... after his impassioned speech at the protest where he 'misspoke'

www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-789057

Imagine moaning that he can't hihack planes and throw molotovs anymore. Poor chap, what's the world coming to.

He needs arresting for inciment to violence.