Side by side placement of ukranian flag and palestinian flag

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/14/soho-theatre-bans-comedian-paul-currie-jewish-audience-members

Interesting situation: side by side placement of the flags.

It’s the bit, should a person on stage start arguing with the crowd? Should members of the audience object to flags on stage?

If I were you, I'd cease with the unsubstantiated slander directed at the audience member. It's getting beyond ridiculous now.

Firstly, there is to date no proof there is a genocide. A verdict has not yet been reached.

Secondly, there is no proof the audience member supports anything going on in Gaza, regardless of whether or not it's genocide.

Someone doesn't have to be hounded out of a theater for being Jewish for it to be a wholly inappropriate thing to have happened. There is plenty for you to condemn without it having been an antisemitic act.

@etmoiandme It has nothing to do with him being Israeli. I have a problem with anyone who supports what Israel is doing in Gaza no matter where they are from.

Please provide proof that the audience member was showing support for any kind of genocide anywhere in the world when he was hounded out of the theater.

@Humdingerydoo Just the fact that he said he enjoyed the show up until the point that the Palestinian flag was displayed. He refused to clap for the comedian not because he didn't enjoy his show but because he didn't like the flag. That doesn't sound like a person who is supportive of the Palestinian people and their plight.

So much obsession and cit blaming.

Bizarre. And not just a wee bit worrying.

*vixctim blaming. Need my specs

So what you're saying is, you have zero evidence that he's a genocide supporter? In which case, please stop accusing him of being one and please start condemning Paul Currie's despicable behaviour.

He's not a 'genocide supporter' just because he wouldn't stand and clap the Palestinian flag!

He was abused and driven from the theatre because he was Israeli and probably Jewish. Some of the theatre joined in the heckling and helped drive him out. Others in the row behind were upset and left.

Go through this thread and you will see credible reports from different news outlets stating that a report from a witness was made, a complaint made. The theatre apologised for the treatment of the Jewish man. The comedian is not welcome back the the theatre. The Metropolitan police are investigating the abuse as a possible hate crime/anti semitism.

What's there to go around in circles about.

If you don't condemn what you appear to think is nothing, then it grows and grows and you have hatred you see today.

Ps I also condemn the killing of innocents, before you go off on that circle.

This whole thread and the picking apart of every possible thought process and action is just semantics.

Gaslighting at its finest. Maybe this happened in Nazi Germany....maybe non jews sat round and discussed how being forced to wear a star on your arm or forced to live in a ghetto wasn't actually so bad....and not actually a big deal....

@ABCDEFGHIJK123456 No, he wouldn't stand up and clap for the comedian BECAUSE the comedian displayed the Palestinian flag. He wasn't asked to stand and clap for the flag.

If the comedian asked the man to leave because he was Jewish or Israeli then I condemn him. That is wrong.

If the comedian asked the man to leave because he supports what Israel is doing in Gaza then I don't have much sympathy for him.

That's the bottom line for me. Everyone is free to disagree with me. You are entitled your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

If the comedian asked the man to leave because he supports what Israel is doing in Gaza then I don't have much sympathy for him

Then you say

Everyone is free to disagree with me

Oh the irony

I'm embarrassed for you

FFS he was made (not asked - stop minimising) to leave for not wanting to stand up when the Palestinian flag was waved.

He was NOT made to leave because he supports anything happening in Gaza since he was never even asked if he supports what is happening in Gaza.

He was made to leave because Paul Currie behaved atrociously. That's the only reason.

@Humdingerydoo
He was made to leave because Paul Currie behaved atrociously. That's the only reason.

Agree with this. At the minimum it's bullying and intimidating behaviour, and not acceptable.
I don't believe that anyone should have to stand up to any flag of any country.
Thats just my opinion

@Parkingt111 He wasn't asked to stand up for the flag. The comedian noticed he wasn't standing at the end of the show. When asked why, the man said he had enjoyed the show until the flag was displayed.

I don't know why people keep insisting he refused to stand for the flag when that's not what happened.

The way I see it is that a mediocre (at best) comedian has used the horrific situations in Ukraine and Gaza and Israel, to boost his own profile, and he hasn't given a sh*t who gets hurt in the process or who he disrespects.

The people who have died in those conflicts are not fuel for his quest for celebrity and he has disrespected everyone affected by those conflicts.

He jumped on the opportunity to generate more attention for himself by verbally abusing that audience member and inciting others to do the same. Everyone who joined in should be ashamed of themselves.

You know what In this instance i was actually thinking the same thing, but I didn't know how best to word it.

@Scirocco

A well worded and accurate summary.

@inkworks273 I don't think he should have asked him why he wasn't standing. As nobody should have to stand up for any flag.

No one was standing for a flag. The flag was brought out about 5 minutes before the end, the show continued. The Comedian encouraged a standing ovation and then queried why 2 people in the front row were still sat down.

He shouldn't have asked. It's none of his business. Perhaps they didn't enjoy the show. Perhaps they had a physical disability that would have made standing difficult. Perhaps they were trying to hold in a fart. It's a bit odd to choose front row seats and not stand, but that's their call to make.

From what I've read, him being Jewish wasn't even raised. I don't think him being Israeli was raised either, but Israeli doesn't= Jewish any more than Jewish= Israeli.

The comedian was very rude in his sweary rant asking him to leave, but there's nothing antisemitic in either what happened initially or calling for a ceasefire and peace.

@Scirocco I agree.
@Parkingt111 that's a good point Also. I don't think I have ever been in a situation where I would either want or need to stand for any flag.

@Babyboomtastic I don't think there's anything wrong with calling for a ceasefire or peace and thank you for the clarification.
I just don't like any sort of being mean or initimidation in any circumstances so I think that should be called out as you did say regarding being rude and sweary

Agreed.

He was being a total dick to an audience member. Just not an antisemetic dick.

Have you seen the news reports of convoys of agitants driving round majority Jewish neighbourhoods whilst flying this flag...it is being used as a symbol of something rather like another one was many years ago.

As a white woman I try to refrain from telling women of colour that something they feel is racist, isn't. I'm not black or Asian...it's not up to me to dismiss their experience.

As a Jewish woman I object to people telling me that certain things aren't actually anti semetic and actually I'm totally misunderstanding it.

Lord of the flies comes to mind.