This is the reality of what Israeli is doing.

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

Also, totally irrelevant?

I find throwing around the word ‘terrorists’ about the Palestinians but not about the Israelis who are killing Palestinian women children and old men by the ten thousands and maiming thousands more a little bit off too. People like Smotrich, Ben-Givr and even Netanyahu are pretty terrorist like for an official State imo too.

As for the 2:1 civilian to terrorist death rate supposedly being commendable, which I read a day or so ago, that means according to Israel’s hope to eliminate all of Hamas, that if there are 30,000 Hamas fighters, and so far only about 9,000 of them and 20,000 civilians ( huge numbers of whom are children because of this particular population) have been killed, Israel has a lot more killing of women, children and old men to go: 40,000 more women, children and old men according to this rate.

That is without the extra to be starved, and maimed, or die for lack of medical care; or without the rate of civilian deaths going up even higher in Northern Gaza because of it being too difficult for them to escape.

Then there are those Palestinians who are being killed meanwhile in the West Bank meanwhile too by the IDF or settlers. Those involved in trying to clear the Palestinians away are clearly terrorists themselves.

Over the years, before 7/10, there have also been a great many Palestinians killed. Something like 10 Palestinians have been killed to every one Israeli in the various wars.

Let us forget trying to define exactly what ‘genocide’ means in the legal sense, even if you are legally correct.
Some of the prominent knesset members definitely have been outspoken about their genocidal intent; and what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people they virtually live amongst but have been subjugating, and now brutally killing ( with state rhetoric of brutality to match), will not make Israel safe in the future.

Because anyone can cut and paste things to suit their own agenda.
You can't cut and paste something that wasn't said? They said these words they were filmed they are on record, the video merely collates them in the one place. We all heard these words over the past few months, any one of us can go through the video and find the original source independently of this video.

And it then be used to hound Jews with so they are perceived as the right Jews.
Who is hounding jews? The video is pointing out how Israeli politicians view Palestinians.

Go back through the thread there are numerous clips of Israeli Ministers talking about Palestinians in a derogatory dehumanising way, with dates and times and context, we don't just need this video to prove the point that the Israeli government view Palestinians as subhuman and treat them as such

Of course it is only the Israeli government and the IDF that can be telling the truth. The Washington Post, Financial Times and C4 are all liars too. Oh don't forget, they're antisemites too.

Keep on being an apologist for the endless murder of children and women and men with fuck all to do with Hamas.

@PersephoneSeethes
The fact that the high birth rate in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7 proves that there was no ‘genocide’ of Palestinians.

The fact that a population might ‘replace’ itself after huge numbers of its people have been slaughtered, is hardly an argument that genocide or something approaching has not taken place

2015 Reuters re Israel’s very high birth rate:

“TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Israel's birth rate, the highest in the developed world and once seen as a survival tactic in a hostile region, could be its undoing unless measures are taken to reverse the trend.
The average Israeli woman has three babies in her lifetime, nearly double the fertility rate for the rest of the industrialized countries in the OECD. That, accompanied by heavy Jewish immigration from the former Soviet Union, has seen Israel's population double in the last 25 years”.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0RP0Z8/

I think you have misunderstood regeneration; and that you may not have seen the implications of what you said.

@PersephoneSeethes

The fact that the high birth rate in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7 proves that there was no ‘genocide’ of Palestinians.

I'm struggling to understand this logic.

How on earth is the birth rate before October 7 relevant to whether or not the retaliation was designed to prevent births after the retaliation?

It really does @madderthanahatter so I would be keen for @PersephoneSeethes to explain the logic in what they said because otherwise that's exactly how it sounds.

Maybe they mean it's not genocide, it's just "mowing the lawn"? That's how the Israeli government has openly referred to their previous assaults on Gaza in 2008-9, 2012, 2014, and 2021.

Go back through the thread there are numerous clips of Israeli Ministers talking about Palestinians in a derogatory dehumanising way, with dates and times and context, we don't just need this video to prove the point that the Israeli government view Palestinians as subhuman and treat them as such

Netanyahu and his henchmen have as much empathy and regard for innocent Palestinian civilians as a farmer would have for vermin infesting his barns. No doubt this will be deleted because some will find the analogy offensive, probably because it resonates so deeply. Doesn’t lessen the truth of it though. Plus ça change..indeed. If we don’t learn lessons from the horrors of the past, whoever the victims and perpetrators, and strive to prevent the committing of such atrocities again, then there’s no hope for humanity.

"Also, throwing around ‘genocide’ which is a very specific international legal term, diminishes it and the user". - @PersephoneSeethes

You may find the definition of "genocide justification" of interest:

Maybe the poster would like to explore with us as to whether they view the high Palestinian birth rates as a demographic threat?
It might be insightful because few pro Israeli posters seem to provide much objective evidence for their views and we are left with the impression that their views are largely due to having family members and friends in Israel or concerns about safety in an what is perceive by them to be increasingly anti semitic environment.

@madderthanahatter ,

Really?

This is part of the Hamas charter:

‘The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7). ‘

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

Now I really dislike what Israel is doing in Gaza, as I don’t believe you blame civilians, even those brainwashed into supporting Hamas. And it is hard to see Israel as not trying to displace the entire population, against international law, and they have shown a callousness for civilian lives that I would not have expected of fellow Jews.

But active Hamas members, I entirely support Israel in trying to kill every one of them.

Agreed! It is really does sound like that to me, too. It's such an offensive thing to say that it's hard to imagine what else it could be. And she's not alone in saying that, I see that sentiment all the time (although not here, until now). The Palestinian birth rate isn't even that high, around 45 countries have higher birth rates! Still higher than Israel, but the Palestinian infant mortality rate is through the roof in comparison 😟 (Israel 2.2 compared with Palestine 15.5 per 1000, according to google). So it's not like the Palestinians are breeding like rabbits. It seems to me that the fact that they dare to have any children at all offends @PersephoneSeethes deeply. I am reminded of when Israel injected Ethiopian Jews with contraceptives without their knowledge (they were told it was vaccines). I wonder if that's what Israel would like to do to the Palestinians, but has to sick to 'mowing the lawn' instead.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel

Pictures and videos need to be shared, because hearing that

11,000 children have been killed and

that 85% of people in Palestine have been internally displaced

is unfortunately not enough for some people to understand this is wrong.

How cruel to try and justify this.

The sharing of pictures and videos, while yes being harder to verify, adds a human element to this horrendous suffering.

It provides regular people with a voice and stops the narrative of war being solely controlled by people in power.

But that’s the point Israel isn’t killing Hamas it’s killing the unarmed Palestinian civilian population en masse.

https://x.com/ramabdu/status/1761111907405054156?s=46

Trigger warning. A baby in Gaza fighting for his life due to starvation. Not only is Israel blowing these children apart with its bombs, it is also deliberately starving them. There are hundreds of trucks full of food just miles from this child and yet he is starving to death.

Shame on every single person who has the power to stop this and is refusing to do so. I hope these children haunt them for the rest of their miserable lives.

Shame on us all.

You have lost all credibility.

@PersephoneSeethes while it is entirely true to say “Hamas escalated it” it’s facile to say they started it when we’re talking about the latest phase of a 70 year old conflict that saw 200 Palestinians killed in 2023 alone BEFORE 7/10.

Did you have any thoughts on this @PersephoneSeethes?

It's ok when Israelis kill Palestinians. It's not ok when Palestinians kill Israelis. Pretty much what it boils down to for some.

The silence on that from @PersephoneSeethes has been deafening, hasn't it?