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Polka83 · 23/02/2024 06:10

Please read the whole article if you can stomach it.

Polka83 · 23/02/2024 06:15

100th Palestinian child killed in WB since 7/10

“Nihal Abu Ayash was wearing his football kit and carrying his school bag when he was shot in the head and killed after Israeli forces opened fire in the West Bank town of Beit Ummar.

The first bullet reportedly hit the 16-year-old in the leg. He collapsed, and as he tried to stand up, he was shot for a second time in the head, according to the schoolboy’s family.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/family-mourns-nihal-abu-ayashboy-shot-dead-israeli-forces-west-bank

‘It was an execution’: family mourns boy shot dead by Israeli forces

Nihal Abu Ayash, 16, was reportedly the 100th Palestinian child to be killed in the West Bank since Hamas’s 7 October attack

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/family-mourns-nihal-abu-ayashboy-shot-dead-israeli-forces-west-bank

TakeMe2Insanity · 23/02/2024 06:21

madderthanahatter · 22/02/2024 22:53

I listened to a few of his talks and you can really feel the sense of betrayal he felt at being sold such a lie, then his extreme unease at having to follow through. I'm so grateful to Breaking the Silence for speaking out, they must face some sort of backlash for doing so and it must take a lot of courage.

I think it’s really hard for ex IDF to go against the tide. There is so much pro military hype that they almost become outcasts etc. I really admire his courage to get out but also to publicly tell people why he left. He is very brave.

TakeMe2Insanity · 23/02/2024 06:26

Auvergne63 · 22/02/2024 11:06

If this rhetoric is not genocidal, what is it? To defend this or stay silent about it is to agree with it.
This is an article written by Amanda Geller, a Jewish lady, and a campaigner for Palestinians right. I urge you to read it.
//www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-genocide-jewish-people-can-halt

Thank you for sharing. It’s good to hear that more jewish people are beginning to open their eyes and ears. The denial of 1947 is shocking - empty piece of land!

Dulra · 23/02/2024 08:16

ScrollingLeaves · 22/02/2024 22:01

He eloquently expresses his reservations about how the role of the defence of Israel he thought he would be carrying in the IDF turned out instead to be aiding a takeover offensive against Palestinians in the West Bank.

Thanks for posting this, more of him please. He describes the situation in the west bank so well and how they are slowly pushing Palestinians out to take ultimate control. Despite all I have seen I still can't understand how they are let get away it. How they can just get away with robbing peoples homes and land and how Israelis still believe that they are modern democracy with this going on? Pretty shocking that the Israeli Minister of national Security, Ben Gvir is so extreme and has been convicted of terrorist offences. I never knew that

Dulra · 23/02/2024 08:21

Polka83 · 23/02/2024 06:15

100th Palestinian child killed in WB since 7/10

“Nihal Abu Ayash was wearing his football kit and carrying his school bag when he was shot in the head and killed after Israeli forces opened fire in the West Bank town of Beit Ummar.

The first bullet reportedly hit the 16-year-old in the leg. He collapsed, and as he tried to stand up, he was shot for a second time in the head, according to the schoolboy’s family.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/family-mourns-nihal-abu-ayashboy-shot-dead-israeli-forces-west-bank

Shocking. I wouldn't call it an execution though that would suggest there was a trial and conviction, it was murder

inkworks273 · 23/02/2024 08:55

x.com/ymg12345678/status/1760791138439512505?s=46

"Two doctors, one of them the head of the surgery department at a hospital in Gaza, while at work serving humanity, received a call that the Israeli army bombed their homes, killing all their family members!

What is happening in Gaza is genocide."

Snowypeak · 23/02/2024 08:59

By the looks of things Gaza is gone and they’re going to clear out the West Bank too. I don’t understand how people think supporting this terrorist Israeli government is ok. Funding needs to stop.

kirinm · 23/02/2024 09:18

So the evidence against the UNWRA has low credibility but there the evidence of rape of Palestinian women and girls being held in Israeli prisons is credible according to the UN.

And meanwhile we remove funding from one of the few sources able to provide some aid to Gaza.

PeasfullPerson · 23/02/2024 09:24

Yes, so surely we will soon hear they are going to reinstate funding. Right after our MPs get their acts together and unite to request a ceasefire. Finally working to serve the will of the public, the ones who voted them in.

PersephoneSeethes · 23/02/2024 09:26

DistinguishedSocialCommenator · 10/02/2024 22:47

I have avoided many threads like this but there comes a point where someone like me has to state the whats what.

Hamas started it and that a fact

Another fact is even I would support the people of Gaza but not Hamas if they realsed all the hostages right now.

Don't forget what Hamas did to women, and children on Oct 7th

As in every war, the innocent pay a hefty price

Also, throwing around ‘genocide’ which is a very specific international legal term, diminishes it and the user.

Article Two of the convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such":

  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

The fact that the high birth rate in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7 proves that there was no ‘genocide’ of Palestinians.

The ICJs interim judgement on South Africa's Genocide case did not order an immediate ceasefire. It warned Israel to effectively stay tightly within its remit, and while doing so supply aid, food and water to the civilians. The judgment also called for the release of the hostages.

War is awful, the deaths are distasteful and deeply saddening, but please place the blame where it belongs, at the feet of Hamas.

Hamas leaders could surrender and release the hostages but they won’t.

PersephoneSeethes · 23/02/2024 09:37

Parkingt111 · 22/02/2024 11:14

I don't see how clearer than this it has to be.
It's out in the open yet some of the leaders still have their heads buried in the sand.
History will not judge kindly, to those leaders who turned a blind eye to this

It’s a compilation video with no context. You are foolish to fall for such propaganda.
Where are the dates for each clip, what is the context for each clip? Who made it?

Anything can be sniped and clipped and pasted together to tell you whatever story the creator wants to tell. This is 101 of History and sources analysis at school.

kirinm · 23/02/2024 09:37

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kirinm · 23/02/2024 09:40

@PersephoneSeethes there's basically no medical care in Gaza now. Doctors used to war are returning describing things as the most horrific they've ever seen. Children having limbs amputated without any pain relief whilst the hospitals around them are being blown up.

However much you want to pretend, that is NOT normal.

How would you feel if it was your child? Okay with it?

Efacsen · 23/02/2024 09:41

PersephoneSeethes · 23/02/2024 09:37

It’s a compilation video with no context. You are foolish to fall for such propaganda.
Where are the dates for each clip, what is the context for each clip? Who made it?

Anything can be sniped and clipped and pasted together to tell you whatever story the creator wants to tell. This is 101 of History and sources analysis at school.

Did you read SA's submission to the ICJ? These statements almost all featured there in the section about intent to commit genocide

Fair enough you don't like the format but otherwise missing the point

Snowypeak · 23/02/2024 10:17

Killing thousands of children while your lawyers say it’s not technically “genocide” is not ok.

Government ministers saying all Gazans are terrorists, including the children, deserve to be punished and need to be eliminated is not ok, even if you don’t like seeing the clips being aired with no date.

Killing thousands of Palestinians and stealing their homes even BEFORE Hamas is not ok.

Killing thousands of innocent people “because Hamas” is not ok.

LilaDidIt · 23/02/2024 10:17

PersephoneSeethes · 23/02/2024 09:26

Also, throwing around ‘genocide’ which is a very specific international legal term, diminishes it and the user.

Article Two of the convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such":

  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

The fact that the high birth rate in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7 proves that there was no ‘genocide’ of Palestinians.

The ICJs interim judgement on South Africa's Genocide case did not order an immediate ceasefire. It warned Israel to effectively stay tightly within its remit, and while doing so supply aid, food and water to the civilians. The judgment also called for the release of the hostages.

War is awful, the deaths are distasteful and deeply saddening, but please place the blame where it belongs, at the feet of Hamas.

Hamas leaders could surrender and release the hostages but they won’t.

Killing 30,000 people including 15,000 children is legitimate self-defense? Displacing 2.2 million people? They have been very clear about their intentions - in the extremist ideology of the right-wing Israeli government every Palestinian is a threat and they need to be forcibly removed.

https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1723538810221338973/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1723538810221338973&currentTweet=1723538810221338973&currentTweetUser=kthalps&currentTweetUser=kthalps

Snowypeak · 23/02/2024 10:18

Hamas didn’t start it btw

madderthanahatter · 23/02/2024 10:18

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LilaDidIt · 23/02/2024 10:21

@PersephoneSeethes :" It’s a compilation video with no context."

Oh really? Please tell me, in what context is it ok to talk about murdering children and entire families?

MooThePug · 23/02/2024 10:26

@PersephoneSeethes bravo for pointing out the obvious.

@LilaDidIt it has been pointed out why it's foolish. Because anyone can cut and paste things to suit their own agenda. And it then be used to hound Jews with so they are perceived as the right Jews. Emotive rhetoric doesn't change the fact it's just another badly edited video.

Parkingt111 · 23/02/2024 10:29

As @Efacsen said, many of the quotes were presented to the ICJ to prove intent of genocide. If Israeli ministers don't like this, then maybe they should think before they speak

Auvergne63 · 23/02/2024 10:30

The fact that the high birth rate in Gaza and the West Bank prior to Oct 7 proves that there was no ‘genocide’ of Palestinians.
Disgusting comment on so many fronts.

MooThePug · 23/02/2024 10:38

@kirinm what a surprise from the UN. Don't like being caught out and full of antisemite's.

The fact that Albanese and Absalem are the main reporters and Hamas has already praised them for it without any actual proof is somewhat strange. There is no mention of evidence just 'credible claims' which are distressing?

Particularly when regardless of video footage the UN took fifty days to release a statement condemning sexual violence against Israeli women/

The reports are from experts appointed by the HTC not the UN itself.

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