This is the reality of what Israeli is doing.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

@fleurneige so Netanyahu has single handedly denied the right of Palestine since 1978 and before that?
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Wow.*

The same poster that tried to do a ‘ahhh gotcha’ about the 1947 referendum also tried to do a ‘ahhh gotcha’ about Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 - so something that happened in the 40s is greatly significant
But only actions since 2005 count

The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics in order to end up with an answer where Israel is in the right blows my mind

@Livinginanotherworld "There is no doubt Israel did this war crime and killed those poor girls, the world knows it, "

So where is the proof?

@Notsuretoputit are you saying that those who disagree with Israels stance and actions in this war are anti semites?
Who exactly are you calling anti-semites and terrorist sympathisers?

Dear me, I really think you need to check the definition of what an economic migrant is and what a refugee is. Basic stuff, really.

They were quotes from someone else @Auvergne63

We are talking about what is happening in Gaza now. The fact that Jews were ethnically cleansed in 1950 by Arab countries should not excuse what the Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind or, if you prefer, when seeking revenge, dig two graves.

The most saddening part is that I believe you genuinely can’t see it.

This thread is exactly the same as all the rest.
My side is innocent and your side are blood thirsty sadists.

And what are they all fighting over? I bit of land some bricks
and buildings that thousands of people have been killed over. There is no land
on earth that is worth more than the life of that little girl. Or any of the
other children who have been killed over the decades. What would they all do if
climate change flooded the whole region and put it all under water so nobody
could live there? That would be the end of the conflict would it? Nothing to
fight over anymore? Or would they just continue with the hating each other to
every corner of the earth they had to move to?

Or how about this for an idea. The Palestinians all on mass
convert to Judaism? Would that work and settle the fight? I doubt it. Or the
Jews all convert? Still not good enough I'll bet.

Shame on the lot of you being so blinded by your hatred.
A plague on both your houses.

RIP Hind. This world didn't deserve you.

The most saddening part is that I believe you genuinely can’t see it.
Are you sure that isn’t just people disagreeing with you?

If it isn’t then please feel free to give some examples.

So you're ok with the other poster bringing the Nakba into it, but you're not ok with Jewish refugees being mentioned in direct response to that? You don't think that has any relevance to the Nakba happening to begin with?

Anyway, I've said my piece about it and tried to educate but some people would rather just minimise the suffering and refer to the Arab Jewish refugees as economic migrants so I give up.

I feel for the people in Gaza. I really, truly do. They're stuck in an ever increasingly shitty situation without the power to make it stop or even leave in order to save the lives of their loved ones. It's truly unimaginable what they're going through. I got unexpectedly hopeful today reading an article (which I shared on a thread about Hamas if you want to read it) about hospital staff in Khan Younis helping the IDF apprehend 20 terrorists hiding in their hospital. Hopefully there will be more of an intelligence based approach now and therefore fewer bombs. It's already too late for thousands of innocent civilians, but maybe it can help save more in both the short and the long run

The Nakba was the start of what the Palestinians had to endure to stay in the land, (diminishing daily btw), they called home. They have as much right to a Palestinian state as the Israeli have to one. No ifs, no buts.
They're stuck in an ever increasingly shitty situation without the power to make it stop or even leave in order to save the lives of their loved ones.
The Israeli government has made sure of this.
Hopefully there will be more of an intelligence based approach now and therefore fewer bombs.
This should have been used from the start. The Israeli government had a choice;
they chose to inflict death on the innocents. They need to be held responsible for this in a court of law as much as Hamas is.

He will be doing the 'money/lecture circuits/book deals' post PM'ship. The majority of ex PM's have done.
Many posters have asked for proof from those trying minimise the terrorism that the IOF is committing; so I ask you, where is your proof that any of the hypothetical situation that you described, ever happened?

I haven't said any ifs or buts with regards to Palestinians having a state of their own. I've always been for a two state solution, ever since I was a child. Even when they were sending in suicide bombers to Israel on a regular basis and my cousin was almost killed in a nightclub explosion.

To the second part of your post, I do think you should also recognise that Hamas are also responsible for the devastation affecting Palestinians instead of solely blaming Israel but I doubt I'll ever manage to convince you of that. I mean from before October 7th. Hamas have always had a lot to answer for.

Yes, the Israeli government had a choice. I personally don't think they made the right one but I have some understanding for why they made certain decisions even if I don't agree with them. I mean, they exchanged 1027 prisoners, many of them terrorists and murderers, for one soldier a few years earlier - they were clearly hoping to avoid a similar unproportional solution this time around with a then unknown number of hostages. They had to change their strategy but I think they have made some truly deplorable choices.

Why is it that every time a Palestinian person dies we must also be reminded of the victims from October the 7th?

Is it not enough that we felt sad and disgusted at that time? Is it not enough that our government has supported this genocide? Are we not allowed to grieve for anybody else!

Because posts and threads about the October massacre aren't jumped on with cries of "what about the Palestinains", right?

So that makes it Ok, does it?

Surely you can understand that Israel denying the Palestinians statehood and treating them as badly as they have done for decades is a major cause of all of this though? You simply can't discuss this conflict without accepting that. Maybe you do, but most posters who support Israel ignore or deny that fact.

Of course it's a major cause. It's just not the sole cause. Extremists and terrorists like Hamas having such a strong foothold is another major contributing factor.

And no, I don't think you can say that "most posters who support Israel ignore or deny that fact". I think you'll find that a lot of us have had baseless accusations thrown at us multiple times because of people's assumptions about what we must think, without ever actually trying to find out the truth about how we feel. Because we support Israel we are presumed to be heartless people and are frequently told we clearly want all Palestinians dead.

Despite me and a few others saying it a fair few times people don't seem to take it in. Nonetheless, I'll say it again - being pro-Israel doesn't equate to being anti-Palestine or anti-Palestinian. Maybe this time someone will actually take note 🤞🏻

Israel kills 6 year old girls in cars and snipes 4 year old boys in the street. It also snipes men holding white flags and grandmothers walking while holding hands with their grandchildren. That is the reality and it is indefensible. Absolutely sickening.

I hope he can find some mental peace.