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Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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floodlightonwhatisright · 20/12/2023 16:23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

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Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 23:15

Coyoacan · 04/01/2024 23:08

True but this is a conflict thousands of miles away and the people of the UK want to enjoy their days out without being ruined by protests about something that though sad, has nothing to do with them

If the UK and USA had supported the Holocaust during WWII, would you have felt that the same?

They didn't support it but ignored it for years and at the same time blocked Jewish refugees from entering Britain

So an amazing bad example you have used

Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 23:20

noblegiraffe · 04/01/2024 22:52

Adani Green Energy don't provide arms to Israel. They are owned by the Indian Adani group who also own Adani Aero Defence who have worked with an Israeli arms manufacturer on drones.

So the link to protesting the Science Museum is fairly tenuous.

You don't have to pay to get in, so the visitors who are being hassled aren't even handing over money.

Seriously that is the strength of their argument to protest!

I knew from a quick read they were saying a link but that isn't really much of a link. Maybe they just wanted a fun day out and to see the dinosaurs

stomachameleon · 04/01/2024 23:20

The children of Gaza will never recover from the nightly barrage of missiles they're enduring.

I hope that children either side of this conflict can return to a place of peace. The 'barrage' is happening both sides.

floodlightonwhatisright · 04/01/2024 23:28

Coyoacan · 04/01/2024 23:08

True but this is a conflict thousands of miles away and the people of the UK want to enjoy their days out without being ruined by protests about something that though sad, has nothing to do with them

If the UK and USA had supported the Holocaust during WWII, would you have felt that the same?

Whilst the USA did not support the Holocaust, they did refutuse the request to bomb the railway line leading to Auschwitz. If they had done so, my great grandfather might have been saved.

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Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 23:38

The British army in the Mandate of Palestine turned away a ship of Jewish people fleeing Europe

I say turned away, they literally sot at the ship

In the end it was forced to return to Europe. Recorded show that many of the Jewish people on that ship ended up being killed

25milesfromhome · 05/01/2024 00:11

Nice to see @Coyoacan back with a spot of Holocaust inversion but still evading my questions. Maybe look up the Evian Conference in 1938 or The British White Paper of 1939 to understand more of how the UK and the USA’s restrictions on Jewish immigration contributed to so many Jews remaining in Europe despite widespread awareness of their worsening persecution. The UK and the US continued to inhibit Jews’ efforts to save themselves during the Holocaust.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-conference

A better use of the Science Museum protestors’ time and energy, and more relevant to their own country’s history of colonisation and oppressing indigenous people, would have been to highlight Adani’s greenwashing and ongoing abuses in Australia, where they’re mining First Nations people’s unceded ancestral lands and causing catastrophic environmental damage. Seeing as we appear to have gone way off topic anyway.
https://standing-our-ground.org/

The Evian Conference

At the July 1938 Evian Conference, delegates from nations and organizations discussed the issue of Jewish refugees fleeing persecution in Nazi Germany. Learn more

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-conference

Livinginanotherworld · 05/01/2024 00:33

floodlightonwhatisright · 04/01/2024 22:36

Who is my government pray tell me? Do you even know where I live?

I say again, these people are calling for a ceasefire in a different country. The reasons for the conflict are nothing to do with the UK and everything to do with a terrorist organisation called Hamas who started it and even now will not release the hostages.
I hope these ill judged protesters realise that they are upsetting pretty much 90% of the UK now

It is everything to do with the UK, it’s everything to do with the world. We as citizens of the world must stand up for the dreadful carnage that is happening and use our humanity to put pressure on governments the world over. In the UK for example to ask our government to join with calls for a ceasefire, to not blatantly take sides, to not stand with Israel and the war crimes it’s committing and sell them our British made arms, use our logistics and air bases to cause more bloodshed in Gaza. We are all responsible. I think it is unreasonable to suggest 90% are upset and inconvenienced. Where are our government in any peace processes or mediations ? Too busy shipping out arms and troops via Cyprus to Tel Aviv. Arms sales and oil revenues are far more important that Palestinian people.
But you just close your eyes and turn a blind eye, it’s not happening to you so you are all right jack.

noblegiraffe · 05/01/2024 00:36

I wonder if you are this fervently and passionately protesting about all the current injustices and terrible treatment and awful regimes in the world (including ones we are propping up) or whether you turn a blind eye to them to only focus on one?

Livinginanotherworld · 05/01/2024 00:39

Yes pretty much, I’ve protested for most of the injustices in the world in my 60 plus odd years, although I can’t physically do as much as I used to.

noblegiraffe · 05/01/2024 00:45

I’m fairly sure you haven’t.

Trulywonderful · 05/01/2024 00:59

noblegiraffe · 05/01/2024 00:45

I’m fairly sure you haven’t.

Is this your way of distracting me

If so I don't want to play with it

Put it back in its box

Not in the mood, still upset

No Cobyn photos either, please no

I would have had it at 22, how about you?

noblegiraffe · 05/01/2024 01:07

Had what at 22?

quantumbutterfly · 05/01/2024 01:11

Bingo?

Trulywonderful · 05/01/2024 01:15

noblegiraffe · 05/01/2024 01:07

Had what at 22?

The age of the cave

Trulywonderful · 05/01/2024 01:31

quantumbutterfly · 05/01/2024 01:11

Bingo?

A long story

Sometimes funny

Sometimes a bit worrying

Sometimes rather confusing if I am honest

quantumbutterfly · 05/01/2024 01:54

Fairy nuff.Smile

Trulywonderful · 05/01/2024 01:57

Not just some of the pro lot we need to be careful about. Seriously these people walk amongst us

"Gibbons’ neo-Nazi online library held more than 500 videos of extreme right-wing-related speeches and propaganda documents, according to the police.
There were nearly 1,000 subscribers, and the content had been viewed more than 152,000 times, the force said.

Specialist officers assessed the library and podcast episodes and found some of the material breached UK anti-terror laws, it added.

They identified seven videos and a further document that, as well as containing extremist views, included “particular imagery, rhetoric or information that encouraged others to carry out terrorist acts.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-podcast-pair-jailed-for-neo-nazi-series-incitement-to-terrorism/

Trulywonderful · 05/01/2024 01:59

quantumbutterfly · 05/01/2024 01:54

Fairy nuff.Smile

floodlightonwhatisright · 05/01/2024 09:48

Seriously?

I have family in Israel so it is affecting me. Why aren't these people protesting against Hamas and calling for the release of the hostages?
I can assure you that your cause that you support is losing sympathy it had and by April there will be new rules about protesting in safe, appropriate and anti racist ways to keep and make all citizens of the UK feel safer.

I fully support a ceasefire but only when Israel no longer have to fear terrorist incursion or suffer rocket fire.

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noblegiraffe · 06/01/2024 20:26

And now people are chanting support for the fucking Houthis outside Parliament.

State of this.

Need to add:

"Do not chant your support for a group that wishes a curse upon Jews"

to the list of things NOT to do on these marches.

I note, however, that they do not say Houthi, but 'Yemen'. Trying to disguise their support for Hamas?

https://x.com/heidibachram/status/1743659899177910656?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

https://x.com/heidibachram/status/1743659899177910656?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

plusjamais · 06/01/2024 21:15

I note, however, that they do not say Houthi, but 'Yemen'. Trying to disguise their support for Hamas?

I guess they forgot to leave out the 'ships' part.

Was this organised by 'feminist' group Sisters Uncut?

stomachameleon · 06/01/2024 22:23

@plusjamais the 'feminist' group sisters uncut that forget to talk about the rape of Israeli women. They disgust me and their antisemitism thinly disguised.

I don't know why something isn't done?

plusjamais · 06/01/2024 22:47

@stomachamaleon After today I think "thinly" disguised is being generous.

I thought the Bin Laden fanclub on TikTok was wild but crowds simping for the Houthi in central London is another level.

stomachameleon · 06/01/2024 23:41

Absolutely....

Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.
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