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Conflict in the Middle East

Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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floodlightonwhatisright · 20/12/2023 16:23

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

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Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 19:52

The have managed to devalue their cause to the general public as much as Just stop Oil at this point

Both valid causes even if we don't agree on every point, most of us agree on some things needing calling out. However these types of idiots just make people think less of the whole cause

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 20:37

Not sure why it would alienate people? It sounds like a bog standard protest to me.

The article said something about them objecting to one of the museums sponsors (Adani).

Xenia · 04/01/2024 21:00

Dropping litter in a museum is a terribly bad example to little children who visit it to see the dinosaurs etc. I hope everyone of them was fined for dropping litter deliberately and forced to pick it up before the police would let them go. More likely not a single thing was done about it.

EmberLight · 04/01/2024 21:14

Xenia · 04/01/2024 21:00

Dropping litter in a museum is a terribly bad example to little children who visit it to see the dinosaurs etc. I hope everyone of them was fined for dropping litter deliberately and forced to pick it up before the police would let them go. More likely not a single thing was done about it.

I'm sure they'll get over it 🙄

It's significantly less heinous than what they're protesting against - the slaughter of thousands of little children.

noblegiraffe · 04/01/2024 21:39

"A renewable energy company, Adani Green Energy, is sponsoring a new gallery at the Science Museum exploring the urgent need to transition to a low carbon future."

Gosh, maybe this will end up in a punch-up with the Just Stop Oil lot.

floodlightonwhatisright · 04/01/2024 21:56

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 20:37

Not sure why it would alienate people? It sounds like a bog standard protest to me.

The article said something about them objecting to one of the museums sponsors (Adani).

It would definitely alienate people.
It's a museum where people go to learn about science, not share the space with Pro Palestinian protestors.
Wrong place, wrong time.
Totally inappropriate.

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Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 21:57

noblegiraffe · 04/01/2024 21:39

"A renewable energy company, Adani Green Energy, is sponsoring a new gallery at the Science Museum exploring the urgent need to transition to a low carbon future."

Gosh, maybe this will end up in a punch-up with the Just Stop Oil lot.

😂

Actually I think the Free Palestine lot and Just stop Oil have teamed up on a few different protests now. So they are positively sharing a duvet at the moment

Probably who taught this lot of pro protesters how to make ineffective protests that just annoy the general public and take away from your cause.

floodlightonwhatisright · 04/01/2024 21:58

EmberLight · 04/01/2024 21:14

I'm sure they'll get over it 🙄

It's significantly less heinous than what they're protesting against - the slaughter of thousands of little children.

True but this is a conflict thousands of miles away and the people of the UK want to enjoy their days out without being ruined by protests about something that though sad, has nothing to do with them.

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EmberLight · 04/01/2024 22:01

floodlightonwhatisright · 04/01/2024 21:58

True but this is a conflict thousands of miles away and the people of the UK want to enjoy their days out without being ruined by protests about something that though sad, has nothing to do with them.

Your government supports a side in the conflict so it does have something to do with you.

noblegiraffe · 04/01/2024 22:07

But they're not protesting the government, they are protesting a renewable energy exhibition.

EmberLight · 04/01/2024 22:25

It's not fair to say the UK has nothing to do with the conflict.

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:28

"A renewable energy company, Adani Green Energy, is sponsoring a new gallery at the Science Museum exploring the urgent need to transition to a low carbon future."

The article said something about them providing arms to Israel (mind you I think America does that. Maybe the UK for all I know) Anyway I don’t think it had anything to do with carbon emissions.

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:30

It would definitely alienate people.
It's a museum where people go to learn about science, not share the space with Pro Palestinian protestors.
Wrong place, wrong time.
Totally inappropriate

As pp said they’ll probably get over it.

Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 22:33

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:28

"A renewable energy company, Adani Green Energy, is sponsoring a new gallery at the Science Museum exploring the urgent need to transition to a low carbon future."

The article said something about them providing arms to Israel (mind you I think America does that. Maybe the UK for all I know) Anyway I don’t think it had anything to do with carbon emissions.

So can we convince them to boycott the UK. Then we wouldn't have to put up with their behaviour in places we take our children during the school holidays

floodlightonwhatisright · 04/01/2024 22:36

Who is my government pray tell me? Do you even know where I live?

I say again, these people are calling for a ceasefire in a different country. The reasons for the conflict are nothing to do with the UK and everything to do with a terrorist organisation called Hamas who started it and even now will not release the hostages.
I hope these ill judged protesters realise that they are upsetting pretty much 90% of the UK now

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theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:39

Then we wouldn't have to put up with their behaviour in places we take our children during the school holidays

People do have the right to protest I’m afraid.

floodlightonwhatisright · 04/01/2024 22:42

Absolutely.
People have the right to protest but they are probably breaking several laws by dropping leaflets and harassing and intimidating members of the public in an unplanned, un policed, unauthorised and therefore illegal protest

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Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 22:44

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:30

It would definitely alienate people.
It's a museum where people go to learn about science, not share the space with Pro Palestinian protestors.
Wrong place, wrong time.
Totally inappropriate

As pp said they’ll probably get over it.

You children have be looking forwards to the school holidays because they are go to see the dinosaurs. However when you turn up for this much awaited day out these idiots ruin it

Yes it won't scare anyone for life. However it will definitely annoy most the parents and plenty of other people. Then take them several weeks to forget about it. In the mean time you have lost their support and they are slanging off protests to everyone they know and on social media. This has the knock on affect of damaging the cause you are campaigning about.

I would say it is better to protest at business offices, government buildings and places like that than to alienate the general public the way Just stop Oil has done. I mean most people agree with a lot of what Just stop Oil are saying. However blocking ambulances or people going to funerals etc just really makes the general public turn their back on a cause. It also means that businessmen and companies can ignore the protest because it isn't negatively affecting them if the general public are just pissed off at protesters

Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 22:50

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:39

Then we wouldn't have to put up with their behaviour in places we take our children during the school holidays

People do have the right to protest I’m afraid.

Yes definitely they do. I agree with the right to protest and have said this many times on this thread. I agree with pro Palestine people's right to protest if they so wish

However the right to protest does not mean the right to affect the everyday lives of others that are not connected to the people or government or company you are protesting.

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:50

harassing and intimidating members of the public
It didn’t seem like it would be intimidating to me but I suppose it’s not for me to say since I wasn’t there.

noblegiraffe · 04/01/2024 22:52

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:28

"A renewable energy company, Adani Green Energy, is sponsoring a new gallery at the Science Museum exploring the urgent need to transition to a low carbon future."

The article said something about them providing arms to Israel (mind you I think America does that. Maybe the UK for all I know) Anyway I don’t think it had anything to do with carbon emissions.

Adani Green Energy don't provide arms to Israel. They are owned by the Indian Adani group who also own Adani Aero Defence who have worked with an Israeli arms manufacturer on drones.

So the link to protesting the Science Museum is fairly tenuous.

You don't have to pay to get in, so the visitors who are being hassled aren't even handing over money.

EmberLight · 04/01/2024 22:55

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:50

harassing and intimidating members of the public
It didn’t seem like it would be intimidating to me but I suppose it’s not for me to say since I wasn’t there.

The things that some posters are outraged by on here never cease to amaze me.

A few leaflets falling from above - people will recover from this. The children of Gaza will never recover from the nightly barrage of missiles they're enduring. Thousands of them are already dead or have lost their homes and families.

I think any protest against this carnage and terror is welcome.

theoldweirdalbion · 04/01/2024 22:58

However the right to protest does not mean the right to affect the everyday lives of others that are not connected to the people or government or company you are protesting.

Protests can affect the everyday lives of others. I mean you are meant to notice a protest that’s the point of it. It shouldn’t seem threatening in any way but it will be visible and potentially disruptive.
And yes people will complain they always do when inconvenienced (my opinions on the national rail strikes have not always been unwaveringly supportive for example Blush)

Coyoacan · 04/01/2024 23:08

True but this is a conflict thousands of miles away and the people of the UK want to enjoy their days out without being ruined by protests about something that though sad, has nothing to do with them

If the UK and USA had supported the Holocaust during WWII, would you have felt that the same?

Trulywonderful · 04/01/2024 23:13

EmberLight · 04/01/2024 22:55

The things that some posters are outraged by on here never cease to amaze me.

A few leaflets falling from above - people will recover from this. The children of Gaza will never recover from the nightly barrage of missiles they're enduring. Thousands of them are already dead or have lost their homes and families.

I think any protest against this carnage and terror is welcome.

I am not outraged, just think these people are vile idiots at best. This type of stunt is not helping anyone or a ceasefire. I say this for all the reasons I have given above.

Plus people can think of more than one thing at once and most of us do this in fact all the time. Seriously though if I thought for a minute this stuff would end the conflict then I would say like you just take the hit everyone. I would even say that about some of the antisemitic stuff protesters have done. However this stuff really isn't helping anyone and it definitely won't cause a ceasefire.

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