Hamas planned attacks on Jewish people in Europe

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Have seen in the news - I suspect it’s the tip of the iceberg and absolutely terrifying for Jewish people everywhere. Hamas need to be stopped, hopefully this helps to reinforce that they are a terrorist group and not some romantic notion about being ‘freedom fighters’

Ah, Mumsnet's resident Hamas excusers have descended en masse. Expect constant whataboutery and extreme claims from suspicious sources. They're best just ignored IMO, trying to have an honest discussion with them is impossible, that is not how they operate.

It will never cease to amaze me how real and true threats to Jews, both in Israel and the diaspora, are denied and played down.

Hamas literally WROTE in their charter that they want to exterminate all Jews.

Now it's proven they are trying to launch attacks on Jews in the west.

And yet still people deny it.

Ah you should tell the courts today in Berlin about their pathetic diversion

The moral highground from supporters of those who intend to steal an entire country, after decimating its citizens.

What does this have to do with threats to Jewish people in Germany, France, Netherlands ??

And still the derailers keep on coming.
Are other threads all busy today, or what?

I just cannot with this level of hyperbole.

Honestly. Can't you see? If people are butchered in the numbers that have happened in Gaza, with such cruelty, and continuing, I think it is inevitable that it would lead to terrorism abroad. I don't like it and I condemn it but I was on here predicting it a month ago. How obvious does it have to be?

So you think only Israel supporters think terrorism against Jews is a big problem? 😳 You don't think it's possible to be eg Palestinian or Iranian and anti-terrorism? Maybe think before you type to avoid sounding ridiculous.

@mindthespace Thank you for posting the photo of the newspaper. In that case, I very much condemn Israel's use of human shields as well.

Why should it inevitably lead to terrorist attacks abroad?

I think it’s naive to say that these planned attacks in Europe are a response to what’s happening in Gaza. They would likely have started planning long before that.

By the way, Hamas reportedly already had weapons in Berlin. That means this has been planned for a while already.

well said.

Why is this repeatedly ignored?

It’s odd

marmaladeandpeanutbutter well yes of course, you were far from alone in anticipating this. After all, diaspora Jews have been consistently targeted by jihadists for many, many years.

Jews also remember how Germany was considered a safe haven for Jews, the apex of sophisticated tolerance, right up until Hitler took power. We know how quickly things can get very, very bad for Jews.

Which is why it's so galling how often antisemitism gets downplayed, denied or whatabouteried on MN as elsewhere.

there have been no attacks perpetrated by Hamas in Europe - or previous arrests in connection with planned Hamas attacks in Europe outside of these current ones (at least none I am aware of - if someone knows otherwise, please share). Why is it naive to argue that these attacks are potentially linked to the current genocide? Are you saying the timing is more likely to be just a mind boggling coincidence?

Ok but why would Hamas want to attack Jewish people in Europe? I take it you are aware that Jewish people hold a wide range of views, may have absolutely no connection to Israel in any way shape or form…. So tell me… why?

Because this wasn't the beginning of their plans. They'd already been underway for a while, which is why weapons had already been hidden.

Never miss an opportunity to downplay antisemitism and threats to Jewish people whilst working in a genocide accusation as a little treat.

Are you agreeing that yes there is now a threat?

Well no, it's not inevitable unless the people involved are terrorists.

Hamas want to target Jews in Europe because Hamas are Jew-hating terrorists.

German press is reporting that security services were first tipped off about these suspects back in the summer.

This is what I was trying to get at early in the thread when I asked if this was the first time Hamas had done this and got shouted down.

If this is the first time then I think there's a good chance that it's to do with Gaza.

The only reason the IRA started bombing England was because they realised no one gave a shit about Irish people being murdered so hitting targets in England, especially economic ones like Canary Wharf made them much harder to ignore. Even now when you talk to Brits about the IRA most only seem to know about British bombs and nothing about the North where the conflict actually happened.

So seeing that genocide is being supported and Europe doesn't care abour Palestinians maybe they're thinking about bringing terror home to the supporters of it?

It's obviously a terrible idea. And would result in people dying and probably more support for Israel but they're probably not the most logical. Targeting Jewish places is especially messed up and presumably designed to spread terror in Jewish communities which is very sad and shocking.

Thank goodness it was intercepted and no one was hurt.

As you well know, that wasn't what you were being "shouted down" for. It's quite funny watching you change the narrative of events as they happen.