Conflict Israel and other nearby countries

[EasterIssland]

Israel is at war with Gaza. However , this has dragged other countries in the area as well.
weve heard about the problems in West Bank (there is a thread) but also Lebanon where civilians have been killed and journalists have been targeted and killed

they’ve also attacked several airports in Siria.

ive read in the past there was a conflict as well with Yemen and read now this” Yemen's Houthis warn they will target all ships headed to Israel”

it doesn’t sound that post this war living in Israel is going to be safer than before

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-say-they-will-target-ships-red-sea-en-route-israel-2023-12-09/

? No I haven’t - I was using “you” as the generic form of “one.” I would have thought that was obvious. Where the leadership of Israel is behaving in this way, it is behaving illegitimately. It is clear to me that amongst those in power in Israel are extremists who view Palestinians on land they think should belong to Israel in remarkably similar ways to the way Hamas views Israelis, with the only thing holding them back the fact that Israel is a democracy - but with a corrupt leader at its helm and an excuse to kill thousands of Palestinians, that is small consolation to Palestinians at this moment in time.

Utterly ludicrous

That’s not much of an argument* *

Would you like to share why that is so ludicrous? I don’t think it is. I’m happy to say why. Because Netanyahu is more than happy to slaughter thousands of innocents, the vast majority of them being children. Oh and he’s not done yet, he’s going to carry on, oh and he wants any survivors to be destitute and homeless - he’s made sure of that. Oh he’s totally on a par with terrorists.

• to be clear, that should say, a corrupt leader at Israel’s helm (not that Hamas’ leadership isn’t also corrupt, of course).

i guess nobody cares about the relations between Israel and other countries that aren’t Palestine.

As I've already said external relations are really important and have played a part in this crisis. They will also have a bearing on what happens next. This has to end in some sort of negotiation with 3rd parties involved. But Israel is not just threatened by Hamas which is why it perceives Hamas's attack as existential.What do you want us to say?

Look at the last comments. :
personal attacks
hamas
Gaza / Palestine.

so just another derailed thread from page 2.
israel had got problems with ie Lebanon / Siria and those are the ones I tried to talk about when I opened the thread.

Well we all knew they were after one state, are we able to call it a genocide now?

https://news.sky.com/video/israel-hamas-war-israeli-ambassador-dismisses-notion-of-two-state-solution-for-israelis-and-palestinians-13029681

@EasterIssland that Better?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/two-rockets-fired-from-lebanon-at-israel-idf-shells-source/

Yes thank you.
hezbollah?

And again

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-strikes-back-after-shooting-syria-sets-off-sirens-military-2023-10-14/

These aren't new things mind you. There is a reason most houses have bomb shelters and safe rooms. Both countries have issues with terrorists and militants.

I wonder why Israel’s neighbours don’t like Israel.

Yeah can’t even imagine…….

Listen I know at the moment it's easy to do that but Syria is at war so a breeding ground for terrorists and militants and Lebanon has Hamas sympathisers.

Also lots of countries are not happy about Israel's relations with countries thawing. Certain countries in the region you can't even visit with an Israeli passport.

You know all this and it's not a debate if you want to do that. If you prefer the echo chamber I will leave you to it....

Because they are antisemitic. Why do you think Jewish people have had to leave all these countries in the first place? Do you people study any history at all?.

@stomachameleon
It’s a huge problem, I agree. Most of all for Israel. As you say, the trauma of violence and war (and loss of schooling, homes and hope) is a breeding ground for terrorists. It has certainly been a breeding ground to date for Hamas. So this is what Israel has to look forward to, multiplied tenfold now probably. All these traumatised children with their futures wiped out will come of age in a few years and what does Israel think many of them will do? Does Israel expect indefinite support from the US?

All these people criticising Israel’s behaviour in Gaza - not all of them are antisemitic. Not even most. But I would say that most are shocked that a “civilised democracy” would kill SO many children and bewildered by what Israel thinks or hopes to achieve by doing so.

No, I think most people don’t know much history. I think a lot of people don’t know what they’re talking about in a broader context, to be honest.

@Thereissomelight I don't think it's all antisemitism and tbh If your not shocked by constant streaming of distressing images then there is something wrong with you. I don't believe after 7/10 Israel has a choice... inaction would have been perceived as weakness.

The point you have made about Israel is proof to me why sinwar etc have to go. I agree you can't remove an ideology but you can remove figureheads who don't support their people and put in power a supportive and supported government.

I don't think that should be guided by Israel. I hope Israel pulls back, doubles down on the border and let's unwra and UN do their jobs.
I hope it turns inwardly from war onwards. I would woke on relations with UEA and Saudi and freeze out Qatar. I would send Mossad after the top dogs in Hamas.

They are just my ramblings. Sorry for the tangent. I Don't use antisemitism glibly as I think that's wrong and takes away from its clout.

I would support that too - and also clamp down on the settlers and make them hand back the homes they took.

Imo it’ll take a few years now before any permanent political agreements can be reached with Palestine. Some sort of pause needs to be agreed upon. In the meantime there are some tough times ahead and there will almost certainly be more attacks on Israel.

If Israel got rid of its extremist government and did all you said and asked for help from as many of its neighbours as possible with intelligence and with rooting out Hamas leaders I would speak out in its support. All military aid to Israel needs to focus on defence and intelligence and prosecution of gangsters and terrorists, not on attacking innocent children. Gaza needs time to rebuild, deal with their enormous burden of trauma and get their children back to school (and the schools in both Palestine and Israel need to be internationally monitored for hate teaching - both are guilty of this). Gazans need to be able to travel freely and interact normally with the world. Some sort of arrangement has to be made where they can do this while still allowing Israel to defend its borders. The layout is so odd currently. Something HAS to be done about that.

In a few years time when certain goals have been reached everyone can sit down and talk about a long term solution but imo no good will come of rushing into a decision now.

@stomachameleon does anyone know where he is? Yahya Sinwar?
If he is in Gaza then I am really suprised that they haven't found him yet after all this time
He could just as easily escape via the tunnels through Egypt

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-leader-sinwar-said-to-have-fled-north-gaza-by-hiding-in-humanitarian-convoy/

I am pretty sure there are atleast some Hamas supporters in Egypt. It would he pretty easy for him to get out if he wanted to via the tunnels.

Also I don't see why he would use a humanitarian convoy at the start of the ground invasion to move to the south when he can just use the tunnels

@Parkingt111 I assume the tunnels are the last place he wants to be as that's where the IDF are expecting him to be. I have read a few articles about him though to suggest he is at odds with the Hamas hierarchy in Qatar which makes me wonder if he will be sacrificed in order for peace or some sort of collaborative government or power. I think he is expendable.

@stomachameleon I don't know much about him tbh. When the war started I would never have thought it would still be ongoing after all this time. I honestly thought Hamas would be defeated by now. Maybe I under estimated them or then over estimated the IDF.
Either way I just wish it would all end.

I thought this was interesting... if it works! www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/x109uFfPLF

It's a visual on the surrounding countries.