Conflict Israel and other nearby countries

[EasterIssland]

Israel is at war with Gaza. However , this has dragged other countries in the area as well.
weve heard about the problems in West Bank (there is a thread) but also Lebanon where civilians have been killed and journalists have been targeted and killed

they’ve also attacked several airports in Siria.

ive read in the past there was a conflict as well with Yemen and read now this” Yemen's Houthis warn they will target all ships headed to Israel”

it doesn’t sound that post this war living in Israel is going to be safer than before

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-say-they-will-target-ships-red-sea-en-route-israel-2023-12-09/

with regard Yeman attacking commercal shipping in the Red Sea, who is selling them these wepons? I don't see that any country capable of producing wepons such as this benefiting from these attacks.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel/freedom-world/2021

few days ago USA announced an alliance in order to stop the Yemen attacks
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/12/19/us-announces-10-nation-force-to-counter-houthi-attacks-in-red-sea

spain vetoed a plan for the EU to help with the mission
https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-23/us-military-operation-in-the-red-sea-sparks-tensions-between-madrid-and-washington.html

italy and France have joined Spain

https://gcaptain.com/spain-italy-france-decline-us-command-of-red-sea-operation-prosperity-guardian/

in the meantime an Israel vessel has been attacked near india

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/israel-affiliated-merchant-vessel-hit-by-aerial-vehicle-off-india-uk-firm-2023-12-23/

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Cameron talking about Iran and 'sending Tehran a message.

Cameron Foreign Secretary vows to take tough line on Tehran’s meddling in the Middle East

The irony.

US has been chomping at the bit for a war with Iran for years and it looks like we're being warmed up to keep them company.

Do our leaders even know the meaning of de-escalation?

@FOJN I don't disagree with you there. That's the last thing we want or need. Any of us.

@EasterIssland Good to see some EU countries standing up to the USA.

I wish more people would see this and understand. All we hear about is the displacement of the Palestinians, not the Jews.

@Gettingcolder it is truly terrible and sad that Jewish people were ethnically cleansed from other countries.

This is why we should stand up when it is happening to Palestinians, and say loudly that it should never happen to anyone, Jewish or Palestinian.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Or in this case, 7000 wrongs (number of Gazan children murdered since October) don’t make a right.

@Thereissomelight I think I read 8,000 the other day :( Not to mention all the women, men etc.

@mondriansdog
I tend to focus on the multiple child deaths because if you comment on how many adults are dead the excuse will be that they are all part of Hamas.

@Thereissomelight sadly yes that is the case on here too often.

Sadly people don't understand or at least pretend to not know what the Arab cause that Arafat and other Arab leaders such as Hamas have openly spoken about means.

Arafat and others before him in the middle east was always clear about it being a long term plan. He said it would tale generations before its goals were met. He meant the slow drip feeding of hate and division would take that long. Then eventually just like we saw in Europe the general public would except and some even participate in the dehumanising and ethnic cleaning of Jews.

When people say what they are believe them. Some Arab leaders have been very honest all along about their goal and the long term plan. Arafat made a flag and got the Arabs on the land to call themselves Palestinians in the 60s. Until that point they didn't refer to themselves as such because the majority were from the 500k of Arabs that arrived on the land between in the 30 years before 1948. Even the indigenious Arabs on the land didn't tend to call themselves Palestinian. Arafat told people it would further the Arab cause, so the Arabs that were not Israel citizens or didn't want to be went along with it. It has always been about ethic cleansing of the land and then later after 1948 dismantling Israel.

People ignore all that and assume that all those there now ha e family going back hundreds of years. It works the hamas cause.

On Thursday, in statements to the Cadena SER radio station, Spanish vice president Yolanda Díaz said it was “enormously hypocritical” that the international community was rushing to protect commercial interests in the Red Sea, but remained passive when it came to defending the civilian population in Gaza.

What a sensible woman.

@Trulywonderful as has happened in the surrounding Arab countries.

The countries added do not accept Israeli passports and some do not accept passports with Israeli stamps in them.

Well that's quite a selective history.

We understand all too well Hamas' intentions, they have been very clear.

Sadly I think it is you that doesn't understand why the Israeli governments handling of what happened on 7th October is making Israel less safe. It is has very little international support at the moment and even Joe Biden is walking back his "no redlines" position, it's costing him in the polls and many in the US are arguing that protecting Israel is not in the US national interest.

You cannot use a terrorist attack to justify a man made famine/draught/humanitarian catastrophe affecting over two million people and expect to retain international support and moral authority. And you cannot accuse everyone who expresses grave concerns about your actions an antisemite.

Israel should have been smarter and the US should have used it's considerable leverage to encourage a more effective strategy, it's lost the war both in terms of failing in its objectives and damage to its reputation.

The Palestinians and the Israelis deserve better than the Netanyahu government has to offer.

Not selective at all but the actual history of the conflict regarding the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people in the middle east and Arafat's involvement. Which is the bit most people seem to miss out on purpose or are ignorant about. What has happened in more recent years is cause and affect in the most horrific and tragic way possible. No good or peace will come from people ignoring basic facts and the words of the Arab leaders both past and present. However it seems a lot of people don't actually want peace and they are very vocal in their rewrite of history and their ignorance of facts. So the conflict will continue even after a ceasefire is finally agreed.

@Trulywonderful
So if you think that what’s been happening over the past few years is due to cause and affect (I agree with you there btw) do you agree that Oct 7 did not come out of a vacuum?

And does not justify 20000 deaths (that we know of so far) as a response, plus mass maimings and starvation and over a million people made homeless?

I agree with you that the extremists on both sides don’t want peace. I just resent having to watch Israel’s extremism be supported by the West.

Of course it's selective, what Arafat said in the 1960's Vs what he said in the 1990's.

Its quite bold to accuse the Palestinians of ethnic cleansing given how many of them have been forcibly displaced by the Israeli armed forces and in light of the US, on behalf of Netanyahu, trying to persuade Egypt to accept the population of Gaza into the Sinai. Perhaps we shouldn't talk about the incremental land grab and displacement of Palestinians in the West Bank.

I stopped believing this conflict is complicated and educated myself about the history. I believe Yitzhak Rabin was the only honest peace broker Israel ever had. Who assassinated him in protest over the Oslo accords, it wasn't the Palestinians.

You still do not seem to understand just what a precarious position Israel is in. It has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with how international politics works. Supporting Israel is becoming a liability for western politicians with their domestic audiences and damaging their credibility on the world stage. Israel needs to stop the death and destruction in Gaza before it has no friends left.

Odd question

It didn't come out of a vacuum but that doesn't make it lesser than what it was. No justifying torture, rape and murder or hostage taking. Especially when it has apparently been planned for years.

Similarly no justifying violence, deaths or hate from either Jewish/Arab Israelis or Gazens and Arabs in the west bank. Not from me anyway. I totally understand how both groups got to this level of hate and violence but that doesn't mean I agree with it.