Horrors of violence towards women on October the 7th suppressed

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67613153

It looks like the UN may have been reluctant to investigate or highlight the sickening sexual violence committed on October 7th. It also appears some of the hostages may have been abused.

Was this because the horrendous violence doesn't fit in with that purely Palestinians are victims of this ongoing conflict? Are investigations into these crimes because women are viewed as second class citizens or the revelations 'muddy the waters' where some just want to see one side as the victim.

Saw this and thought of this thread.

twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1732873255776616610

Stolen from another thread but still relevant I think.

@Humdingerydoo in light of certain posts never has that saying been so true....

@braticus - the UN Commission of Enquiry has started its work with a call for evidence. Israel has formally stated it will not be co-operating; however, individual survivors and witnesses may deal with the Commission direct

I used to go on pro Palestinian marches - not any more.
The Hamas fighters in October 7 and their sickening barbarism are not reflective of all Palestinians. I am also horrified by the scenes fromGaza. But the utter hatred and sadism we saw on October 7 did not come from nowhere- it’s clearly been nurtured and allowed to flourish.
Yes - the behaviour of Israel is a contributory factor but there’s clearly something more at play for so many young men to so willingly commit such vile acts without a second thought.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-woman-in-the-hamas-video-is-my-daughter

This video of two women talking about what there saw on the video available to press and some other organisations is worth watching. Especially if like myself you have are avoiding seeing or watching the videos and photographs for self preservation reasons.

The women describe what they watched in the video in detail

https://twitter.com/emilykschrader/status/1733266116422590585

"These “Arab peace activists” belong to Sharaka, a front group set up and managed by Israel and AIPAC lobbyists to push Gulf normalization with the apartheid state

Sharaka is not even directed by an Arab, but by an Israeli army reservist"

x.com/maxblumenthal/status/1733250458540445702?s=46

@bluetackaddict These are factors, yes, but also there is deliberate radicalisation from a young age, including at the UNRWA-run schools.

Here are a couple of examples.

Children in Jerusalem:

https://twitter.com/Saffiya18458962/status/1714518292457464189/video/1

And a Gaza summer camp:

@braticus and?

Not to mention the video I came across the other idea on NBC. It was a video from a couple of days after the attack showing a 12 year old being taken hostage. At the end of the video you see a Palestinian child (looks like maybe a very young teen but can only see him for a second and only the back of him, so hard to tell for sure) running back towards Gaza armed with a machine gun. I know it's ridiculous, but this genuinely shocked me. There have been so many incredibly shocking and disturbing events, but the fact Palestinian children were actively involved in the terrorism has really floored me. Some of them are not just being taught hate, they're acting on it.

Everyone should read this article. Seventeen women aged 18-25 stuck in Gaza for reasons unknown despite women and children being released through the ceasefire.
We don’t want to add distress to parents by speculating why but this mother - a medical professional - addresses those reasons, suggesting ongoing sexual assaults, infections and pregnancy.
Are we going to see pregnant women return to Israel? Is that what the deniers want here as “proof”? It makes me sick.

It doesn't actually matter who these women are. They are just describing what is in the video that all the government officials from around the world, the press and other organisations have seen. Therefore it is the description and breakdown of what is in the video thar is important in this case. You are welcome to ignore their own personal emotions about it but they can't lie about content because so many others have seen the video too

Again. For those who would deny:

Rape of women, children and men is not resistance. It's rape.

The denial, the minimising and whataboutery around rape is disgusting.

The deafening silence of many women's groups is telling.

There is plenty of evidence and more coming out all of the time. Sick individuals don't get to watch rape to satisfy their twisted minds before they know its true.

I believe the women. I believe the witnesses. I believe the dead bodies of women with broken pelvises, signs of mutilation. I've read some of the first responses accounts what Hamas, other terrorists and some civilians did was vile.

There is no excuse.

This.

It sounds to me like you are absolutely excusing and absolving them.

Disgusting.

So the women are not Arab? Or are they not peace activists? What part exactly isn't true?

I agree with this.
I feel desperately sorry for most ordinary Palestinians. I also went to a pro-Palestinian march in the past. But I couldn't go to one now. Not because I no longer feel sorry for ordinary Palestinians. On the contrary, I feel more sorry for them than ever in fact. But there's no way I could attend a march Hamas supporters might also attend, even if only a miniscule percentage of the marchers support Hamas, I couldn't be anywhere near it. No judgement towards others who do attend, it's up to them of course. Many good people do. But I personally couldn't, as I keep thinking about those poor women brutally violated on October 7th. Honestly what happened to them is my worst fear, probably almost every woman's worst fear in fact. I cannot betray other women, regardless of religion or nationality.

I also don't want to pick a side generally. I feel sorry for innocents on both sides, and I want peace and justice for all. Hence not wanting to attend a march involving the waving of national flags, from either nation. The situation needs so much healing, and not sure it'd help.

I agree with this.
I feel desperately sorry for most ordinary Palestinians. I also went to a pro-Palestinian march in the past. But I couldn't go to one now. Not because I no longer feel sorry for ordinary Palestinians. On the contrary, I feel more sorry for them than ever in fact. But there's no way I could attend a march Hamas supporters might also attend, even if only a miniscule percentage of the marchers support Hamas, I couldn't be anywhere near it

I agree. I also would not want my attendance understood or orconstrued by others as an agreement with Hamas or the events of October 7.

But all your 'could it be' are excusing them. Then you about turn and say you don't. It cannot be both excuses and there are no excuses.

RAPE IS NOT RESISTANCE. RAPE IS RAPE, NO EXCUSE.

I agree.

I couldn't be on a march where some chand, sing or wave some of the banners I've seen. No way.

Glad to see at least one university president being called out for the way that some of her campus support terrorists.

This

Could it be because they literally have nothing. Nothing. All because of Israel's attacks?

@bluetackaddict your whole statement doesn't make much sense tbh.