Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians

[Finallyloggedin]

It’s just heartbreaking. I’ve seen videos on twitter that are beyond anything I can even begin to describe. Palestinians are being murdered in their thousands and the western media is largely pretending it’s not happening.

The average age of the people who have been killed in Gaza is FIVE years old.

The UK media are not showing how the Israeli government is openly talking about, and cheerleading genocide now. Israeli government speaks about Palestinians as if they are not humans. They are saying women are targets as they can have babies. I’ve just read how, since October 7th they have taken over 5,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and tortured them. They were already routinely arresting Palestinians and taking them away from their family with no reason and no but this is not being adequately reported.

Please, please visit sites such as 972 magazine and declassified uk. The BBC, etc, unfortunately aren’t reporting the extent to what is going on.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-and-its-allies-are-repurposing-the-goals-and-lies-of-1948-in-gaza-in-2023/

Stand against extremism. Stand with Israel.

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Millions of Uighur Muslims have been killed in China during the genocide yet no
posts on mumsnet about them.
When I pointed this out my post was removed.
The anti semitic anti Israel bias on Mumsnet is obscene.
No doubt this post will be removed too but if by some miracle the anti Semites on this board don’t report it, I hope it will give pause for thought.

@AboutYouTalk no we don't know hostages are at this moment being raped. Considering those captured after 7/10 said they were told to rape and 'defile' as many as possible there is a good chance.

Let's just wait to see what they say if or when they are released.

From Hamas

I don't think that's how you fight extremism, by standing with a government destroying entire areas and killing all the people living there.
I'll stand against extremism by speaking up against the actions of the Israeli government and Hamas.

Uk? Usa ?
this do you mean 7oct or the violence against innocent Palestinian people

Stand with an extremism far right government ? No thanks.

I was in Rwanda in 1994 so I know what the aftermath of a genocide looks like- and this looks like a genocide to me. Would you care to debate this further?

Hamas is a terrorist group. A minority of Palestinians are terrorists.It is unjust to kill innocent people. Normal people condemn the killing and kidnappings carried out by Hamas. But we can’t condone the mass killings of innocent civilians.

Do you have a more reliable figure for the number killed? You seem very convinced without offering an alternative. Maybe you have insider knowledge. I read in the Washington post that the IDF can count the number of hot falafels on a breakfast plate in Gaza so maybe you have insider information? Otherwise I’m more convinced by what we are hearing from those who have just left Raffa
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/1119/1417392-dublin-airport-gaza/ Every family has lost multiple family members.

There can be a ceasefire. Israel is a small country that relies on the US and UK.
There are powerful cultural , political and financial ties but at the end of the day, politicians are answerable to their own electorates. But more importantly, ordinary Jewish people all over the world will not be prepared to responsible for a genocide of their neighbours.

It’s not Genocide, not on the part of Israel anyway.
It’s a war against Hamas, who are more than happy to sacrifice every Palestinian in their ‘cause’ to wipe Israel off the map.
HTH.
Does shaking your fist at the sky or signing a petition stop a storm?
Well that’s the effect a ‘demand’ for a ceasefire will have on Israel. Absolutely no effect whatsoever.

Twitter and YouTube are not news.
TikTok is not news. I know trust for the MSM is low but seriously, they have rigour and standards. I am an ex journalist and I trust the BBC news more than any other. I’m not saying that there aren’t atrocities happening but I’m saying you cannot base your worldview around propaganda and bias.

Well that’s the effect a ‘demand’ for a ceasefire will have on Israel. Absolutely no effect whatsoever.

Now that part I agree with, various senior Israeli politicians have made it quite clear they want to destroy/take over Gaza and kill its inhabitants. Some sound more crazed as time goes on, I worry they couldn't be stopped even if the US and UK and other countries came to their senses and did all they could to force a ceasefire..

Completely agree. I've removed twitter from my phone now, almost all my feminist friends on there have gone full 'wanting peace is anti semitic'. One post last night suggested that the BBC should be shut down because a quiz show recorded months ago featured a toy octopus as a mascot. 'they're showing their hatred openly now' etc. It's just baffling to me.

There is propaganda on both sides but when I see war correspondents on TV bringing us desperate images of human suffering it wouldn't enter my head that they are lying.

Thank you @Finallyloggedin . Totally agreed. While we may have limited power, Palestinian lives need fighting for in whatever capacity we have. Their stories need to be told, their voices to be heard.

It is possible to be sad for loss of life on all sides of a war.

Dehumanising or justifying one side because their lives are worth less or aligning deaths to your comfort zone or value system over the other is despicable.

Well said.

Lots of responses to lots of questions, but not a single reply to the post on page 1, so reposting now:

Can anyone point me in the direction of some Palestinian journalists calling on Hamas to release the hostages and deploring their government, or is the "seeing both sides" a one way street

How can it have stopped being about Hamas when they still have hostages?

@Finallyloggedin how is my post ‘baseless’ or ‘offensive’? I know it’s fine with MN because I already had to flag it up after I was personally attacked underneath it for posting it.

And it’s not baseless because it’s true.

If not then answer this.

Would you attend a march in London where it was widely publicised that people attending had been holding up signs that were inciting hatred against gay people. Or one where a group was known to be attending who had screamed through megaphones to ‘kill Muslims and rape their daughters’?

Even if there was part of a march I agreed with, I would never show my support by joining a march alongside a known hate group (let’s use the EDL as an example) and dismissing their chants of ‘gas the blacks’ as a few bad apples.

Or is the part of my post you are offended by the part about the Hamas actor being wheeled out to play his various roles of ‘doctor’, ‘grieving father’ and others for the terrorist sob videos on TikTok? That’s easily verifiable and you can check for yourself, it’s not exactly a secret.

Quite frankly given the brutal animal savagery and lack of fucks given by Hamas it would hardly be shocking if they killed Palestinians themselves to show in some of the propaganda videos. (And if your knee jerk reaction to that is that Hamas would never do that then you have no idea who they are - and no I’m not saying that there will have been no casualties. Unfortunately Hamas see Palestinians as nothing more than meat shields and useful corpses to keep the donations coming in to fuel their terror).

I am really intrigued by what footage you're talking about in your first point.

You know what else was livestreamed? Hamas butchering people in Israel and people in Gaza stomping and spitting on hostages.

Not sure why you think Israelis aren't people of colour? Do you think they're all Ashkenazi or something?

Not sure why there's no room in your heart for the Israelis affected by all this as well as the Palestinians. Personally, I care about those affected on both sides. Weird that you don't seem to.

In a months time :
4 hostages returned by Hamas
1 rescued by Israel
2 bodies recovered
the rest are still missing. 11k Palestinians death.

if this was about the hostages they’d be focusing on returning them rather than on killing innocent people , getting in the parliament and the rooftop of a hospital to put their flags on

@Humdingerydoo
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/clip-shows-bruno-mars-concertgoers-not-attack-israel-desert-festival-2023-10-09/

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Thanks, genuinely the first time I've seen that! There's plenty of other footage of people trying to escape the festival so not sure why there would be a need for fake footage.