What is the deal with the violence in West Bank ?

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why does a mentally disabled child throwing stones deserve to be shot from 150 metres away ? The stones couldn’t have even reached them? They can’t possibly be fearing him, he is by himself, they are tons of them and they have cars and guns. How is this justifiable to all these people going on and on supporting a country where these things go on. How is this a country the west considers a democratic ally? How do these values reflect the values of the west?

I understand the outrage of parents wanting the hostages back but Fouads parents will never ever have him back.

The link is to Channel4 reporting Matt Frei

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1722715554274783247?s=20

There are various resistance militia groups on the West Bank.

That’s a very polite way to refer to the violent, extortionist terrorist groups who murder, injure and terrorise both the Palestinian and Israeli populations and actively work to destroy any hopes of peaceful coexistence, justice and self-determination for Palestinians. But thank you for that information- I was unaware they existed.

I don't care which terrorist group did it, it's still utterly vile, and people were cheering them on and filming it which is the worst thing. Why TF would ordinary people film it? I noted some palestinian commentators on Twitter saying it was actually ordinary palestinians who did it and they can't seem to understand why that would make it even worse if true.

I see David Austerity Cameron has tweeted his condemnation of the killing of Palestinians in the West Bank.

Clever politics given that 70% support a ceasefire now. He is very nimble and has made Starmer look foolish and Labour divides. Actually he would be expelled from Labour for this. We have gone through the Looking Glass now.

There are alot of issues in the west bank. That video that was shared above was horrific. There's so much wrong and alot that needs to be addressed on both sides for a peaceful co-existence to take place

There is also oppression of the Palestinians. Not only by settlers but also by the Israeli authority.

This is what Israels former Mossad chief said just this September
Pardo told the Associated Press that Israel’s mechanisms for controlling the Palestinians, from restrictions on movement to placing them under military law while Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are governed by civilian courts, matched the old South Africa.“There is an apartheid state here,” he said. “In a territory where two people are judged under two legal systems, that is an apartheid state.”**

This is the full article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposing-apartheid-on-palestinians-says-former-mossad-chief

@stormy4319trevor I wonder where all this now leaves the western allies who are supporting Israel's military actions. It is now clear that a two state solution has never been the Israeli government's aim. It will be interesting to hear the UK, Europe and US take on the Israeli government position on this.

How abhorrent they are, and to what degree, was not the point I was making.

I was responding to a poster who said that Hamas had carried out the killings of the two Palestinian men in the West Bank when Hamas are supposedly not in the West Bank.

My reply quoted The Times of Israel report which did not name Hamas as the perpetrators but did report “members of Palestinian armed groups”.

Not everyone would know there are several different Palestinian armed groups who are operatating in the West Bank who are not Hamas.

@25milesfromhome which of course makes it so much easier and is so comforting for the people of Israel that multiple arms groups are out to murder them rather than just the one!

I've seen further footage of the incident now. It's abhorent - hung and dismembered. What makes it particularly upsetting is that takes place in front of a large mob dancing for joy and recording it.

https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1728369571961196765

Knowing that there are more lunatic death cult type organisations out there was well as Hamas is hardly comforting.

@SomeCatFromJapan they must have been so frightened.

@ScrollingLeaves I do know this, so I don’t need you to tag me. I’ve repeatedly pointed out on here that Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade-to name a few- have operated in the West Bank for years and it’s usually met with flat out denial. You appear to be doing it right now.

The Jerusalem Post reported that Hamas published a statement confirming the accusations of the two men and their execution by firing squad, so the various ‘members of Palestinian armed groups’ can clearly collaborate to murder and terrorise Palestinian civilians in the West Bank when they’re not fighting each other.

Exactly @ItsRainingTacos79 In the past the reason given for Israeli presence was security and there was an assumption the occupation would end, if peace talks could arrange a settlement. Levy's statement seems like it lays the ground for formal annexation of the WB. If it's repeated more frequently, I don't see how Biden and others can not respond.

@feralunderclass The settler behaviour towards Palestinians is horrific.

Won't take long before this thread is derailed anyway.

As I had said ‘not everyone knows…’
I had not thought you would feel I meant you personally did not know there were other groups, so I apologise for not expressing my points more clearly.

I also thought tagging meant putting @ before a name, not quoting a post for context, which is what I did.

I never said nor meant to imply that if a group other than Hamas carried out these killings that should somehow be a comfort to Israelis, (or Palestinians)! - as it seems some on here assumed.

At the time, because of what The Times of Israel had written, I had just wanted to clarify that it wasn’t Hamas but another group. Because that in itself is important for all sorts of reasons (none implying Hamas are somehow maligned innocents).

Having just seen the Jerusalem Post wrote it was Hamas, and that Hamas also said they did it, I was coming on here to say I had been wrong earlier. Then saw you had already said that the Jerusalem Post had reported this. Thank you as I might not have seen it.

The paper Haaretz has reported it as Hamas and Fatah which confuses me, if that is right, as I thought they were enemies. You may know more about this perhaps.

According to this quote from Reuters, it's all Israel's fault

"The Independent Commission for Human Rights, a Palestinian rights group, issued a statement criticising extrajudicial killings but said Israeli authorities were responsible for recruiting Palestinian agents."

So really, it doesn't matter which terrorist group it was, because Israel.

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Israeli settlers steal Palestinian farmers’ land in occupied West Bank https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/26/israeli-settlers-steal-palestinian-farmers-land-in-occupied-west-bank

Humdingerydoo

I saw someone yesterday saying they were lynched because there wasn't a proper legal system due to the occupation. The town these 2 men were murdered in had a new courthouse built 2 years ago but obviously Hamas decided they couldn't be bothered to use it.

The two men lynched.

Hamza Mubarak and Azzam Jamal Hafez Jawabra

@StarbucksSmarterSister I know I have said it but they must have been terrified.

So this was the non existent Hamas in the West Bank?

Israeli forces carry out deadly raids in the West Bank amid Gaza truce https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/26/israeli-forces-carry-out-deadly-raids-in-the-west-bank-amid-gaza-truce

Israeli forces have killed eight Palestinians, including a child, in the occupied West Bank.

@Ohlalalalala I just wonder if you read any other sources?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67535965

That better? Still the same horrendous news unfortunately.

Stomacharmeleon

I can't imagine how terrifying. I just hope they killed them quickly. And yes I believe Hamas have said they did it. I'm sure I'll be corrected if another group has claimed responsibility. Since, strangely enough, no msm seems to be reporting on it, it's difficult to tell.

All the time and in three different languages.

For anyone wanting information from Gaza or the West Bank, Al Jazeera is the most reputable source to have a presence.

Israel seems to have a predilection for targeting journalists there, but are currently avoiding doing that to Al-Jazeera journalists as they already killed its star journalist there, Shireen Abu Akleh, who was shot dead by an Israeli sniper last year which caused an international uproar.

UN experts demand justice for Al Jazeera journalist on one year anniversary of her killing
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/05/un-experts-demand-justice-al-jazeera-journalist-one-year-anniversary-her

Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war
https://cpj.org/2023/11/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/

As of November 26, CPJ’s preliminary investigations showed at least 57 journalists and media workers were killed since Oct 7.