The cenotaph and poppy sellers

[LittleMooli]

Hi, would anyone mind explaining to me why the media seems to be portraying that remembrance commemorations are being targeted by pro-palestinian protests? I don't really know enough to know how the two things are linked.

This is what the RBL has to say about Remembrance

"We unite across faiths, cultures and backgrounds to remember the service and sacrifice of the Armed Forces community from United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. We will remember them.

• We remember the sacrifice of the Armed Forces community from United Kingdom and the Commonwealth.
• We pay tribute to the special contribution of families and of the emergency services.
• We acknowledge innocent civilians who have lost their lives in conflict and acts of terrorism"

I think those who hijack it are very wrong.

PS: I don't think these marches are in any way a hijack. It is the jingoist hijack that I deplore

Well we all know where France stands on racism and anti Muslim feeling so if you want to look to them as somewhere sane crack on but I wouldn't be looking to France to be my moral compass on this.

I live somewhere that doesn't support the killing of 1000s of innocent people and it isn't seen as a controversial thing to say that a ceasefire should have happened weeks ago, it's just seen as common sense.

Yes, just look at how racist France, the UK and the other multicultural countries are.

I know. I literally said that in my last post. The anti Muslim sentiment in France is well known and has been for a long time.

For example:
If you are a French Muslim applying for a job, you are five times more likely to face discrimination than a non-Muslim.

And if you are a Muslim woman donning a headscarf, you have a 1% chance of finding employment.

Ok but which country is it?

Many countries suffer from tensions, can you say where you are that doesn’t?

Just stop. You are deliberately posting an inflammatory and false statement about people marching for a ceasefire.

you can disagree with their political position but they have the right to their views and smearing what are likely to be hundreds of thousands of people as terrorist sympathizers just to suit your own narrative is shameful.

It's not about 'tensions' the protest aren't about 'tensions' they are about calling for a ceasefire to stop the mass killing and attempted genocide in Gaza. Why would anyone be against that? That's what I find crazy about it all as I said.

Yes but you’re saying you live somewhere different to U.K. and France

I’m thinking of various countries and all will see similar to here

Where are you that you don’t have that?

How do you mean 'see similar to here'? See politicians demonising protests? See the media demonising protests? No, that isn't happening where I live. Politicians are also all calling for a ceasefire. The protests and overwhelming support for Palestinians are seen as a point of pride. It's pretty much the default view that Israel should stop killing. Forums in my country reflect that, there is no oh but Hamas, just an overwhelming this is horrendous and needs to stop now.

Anyway, this isn't about me. This is about protests in the UK and like I said I think it is crazy that supporting an end to mass killings is seen as controversial and debated by your politicians and across your media channels no matter what day of the year these protests fall on.

The protesters would be marching this Saturday regardless of whether or not it was Armistice day, hiya like they have every other Saturday.

They didn’t choose that day for any other reason than it’s a Saturday when most of us aren’t at work.

The media and government are just using it as an excuse to create division and give people a reason to dismiss the aim of the march because they care about money more than people.

You’re avoiding saying where you are I assume because no country is immune to similar clashes to the U.K.

Reports of violence, aggression, deaths even, antisemitism and so on are all evident elsewhere

If you are living o/s but have a particular interest in the U.K. you’ll likely see the same issues in your own country and many others

If the 'protests' had been without incident, there would be no need to highlight their going ahead on Armistice day. You can blame the thugs for that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67349474

Mark Rowley disagrees. The previous demonstrations and police intelligence shows that the marches do not meet the threshold of 'serious risk of disturbance'.

Laughing pretty hard at our idiot Home Secretary saying the pro-Palestinian marches are like the pro-terrorism marches in Northern Ireland.

You know, the ones held by the Orange Order and other loyalist and unionist groups that are big supporter of the Tories.

Whoopsy.

Haha, wow.

Anyone remember, ooh, about a week ago, when the Biden admin and Israel were collectively saying that the death toll was massively overinflated and you can’t trust the Hamas authority on these things?

They really are fucking this up a lot now. It’s so brazen, they even stopped trying to “debunk” the hospital bombing two weeks back and have just resorted to bombing more of them and assuming no one cares.

Just a further note about traffic disruption in London this Saturday

As well as this march, there's also the Lord Mayor's Show, which means road closures on the route (City of London) as well.

There are also planned closures for part of the day on the Tube until 3pm. Lines affected: Circle, District, Jubilee, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan. Replacement bus services will be running, but getting through the Parade and the march could take a while!

Some closures on the Overground too.

There is a long history of protests in this country on many issues, and usually there are arrests made for individuals who cause disruption. Many arrests have been made at climate change protests, for example.
But that does not mean those protests should not be allowed.

Cruella just wants to stifle free speech on this issue because she is a right-wing Zionist.

Apparently the Orange Order have asked for clarification. I’m looking forward to her explanation.

I wonder if she has discussed this with the DUP? Taking her comments at face value it’s difficult to understand why these marches wouldn’t fall into the category of marches that should be banned…

Have those people who are so against them actually been on a march? It would be interesting to see those who have and are still protesting that they are 'hate marches' or disrespectful. I live in the NW. The marches here have had significant numbers. Of all faiths. The one last weekend had a large number of Jewish supporters. People have joined from neighbouring cities. There has been very little, if any, trouble.

The are news reports showing 100s and 1000s of people in countries all over the world protesting. It isn't a London centric thing.

Anyway, this isn't about me. This is about protests in the UK and like I said I think it is crazy that supporting an end to mass killings is seen as controversial and debated by your politicians and across your media channels no matter what day of the year these protests fall on.

It’s debated because for a ceasefire to work both sides must agree to terms that make that possible. At the moment a humanitarian pause is the best that can be negotiated.

However, whether or not I think they are realistic, I do believe that many people share your opinion and that is why they are demonstrating.

Multiple American, European and ME cities, as well as parts of Asia, have had up to six figure marches each weekend now. It’s really quite clear now that there is a popular revolt against the narrative of it being a load of troublemakers who hate Jews and want to kick up a fuss.

I didn't mention Braverman so I'm not sure what opinions of her on question time have to do with anything.

People, myself included, can be of the opinion that it's disrespectful to hold a march on Remembrance weekend AND be pro peace, respect the rights of others to march etc. Doesn't mean we are right wing Braverman supporters, you are conflating two differing viewpoints.
Just wish the march could take place on one of the other 364 days that's all.

Just wish the march could take place on one of the other 364 days that's all.

Well, they're happening every Saturday, so there are (unfortunately) plenty of other opportunities

Just wish the march could take place on one of the other 364 days that's all.

I will be going to the march this Saturday, as I have done for the past 3 Saturdays. I don't march for fun, I do it because I cannot watch the murder of 10, 000 people (nearly half of them children) and the forced displacement of 1.1 MILLION people and do nothing.

I have no disrespect for those who want to observe Remembrance weekend, and I think that London is big enough to accommodate both events.