The cenotaph and poppy sellers

[LittleMooli]

Hi, would anyone mind explaining to me why the media seems to be portraying that remembrance commemorations are being targeted by pro-palestinian protests? I don't really know enough to know how the two things are linked.

Tommys little army split up and tried several times to get to the main march in smaller groups from several locations which the Met largely prevented to their credit (that's not something I say often).

Yes, the preventative arrests, as I said. Though I also read that “Tommy” skipped off in a taxi early doors leaving the riled up mini mob when he went.

Heres another thread where the police are asking for help identifying “peaceful protestors”. Doesn’t appear to be any Far Right on there, maybe because they were shut down and moved efficiently and quite rightly. My point was why such an intense focus on a quickly neutralised situation? Posts galore all over MN and other SM lamenting the behaviour of the Far Right protestors, with nary a mention from many of you, of the disgusting racist/violent/intimidating/anti-Semitic behaviours of multiple members of the “peaceful protestors”. The truth is that these incidents were always going to happen, because many of them were not there for peaceful reasons at all and they have nothing whatsoever to do with the small numbers of Far Right. The dishonesty and bias in this discussion is laughable and I don’t know how people can stand to not be properly informed and truthful about what is going on. I find it baffling.

https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723462648577081629?s=46

Indeed. Also these…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/06/former-hamas-chief-behind-pro-palestine-armistice-day-march/

And finally there's this lovely chap, I saved the best till last. Hitler was right, he knew what was what apparently...

x.com/ozraeliavi/status/1723459845070974985?s=46

If that's not a Far Right viewpoint. I don't know what is.

And no one around him seems particularly bothered about what he's saying.

I hope he gets arrested.

It’s all gross. The far right racism. The antisemitism. And then when it appears on twitter, having to read even more racism and antisemitism in comments below. What the hell is wrong with people.

Whilst the march could have had ‘worse’ consequences today, it’s so damn depressing to read about the extremists of all persuasions who tagged along. And the other people online who support them.

If that's not a Far Right viewpoint. I don't know what is.

Since the demonstrations began I’ve seen swastikas, antisemitic placards, people making taunts about the holocaust - all in the U.K. It’s certainly not all demonstrators, but it is enough of them.

Tommy Robinson and the idiots who showed up today are the old “far right”.

This is the new far right. And no one wants to discuss it.

If you go far enough left you end up right (and vice versa). The far left and the far right are all thugs.

No one seemed bothered either about the girl laughing at the Holocaust on Buchanan Street either. I never thought I’d ever see anything like that on the streets of Glasgow in my lifetime.

Yes, agreed.

I just don’t think this is an isolated viewpoint and I find it rather frightening.

Don't worry, he just says that Hitler had the right idea slaughtering Zionists. I've been assured many times on here that when people say Zionists they don't actually mean Jews.

You know what, you’re right. That’s a really fair point, actually.

I’ve seen it said many times on here that people can’t say anything about Zionists without being accused of antisemitsm. This is good example of that.

That description of the footage of the poppy sellers at the station is misleading.

They weren't surrounded - most of the people in shot are just standing round in exactly the way people do on that concourse every single day. It looks low to averagely busy. There are couple of people wandering round with flags, as well as many who don't. Probably they are all waiting for theit trains, or to meet people off a train.

The reason there is no poppy stand on 11 Nov is that they all close up - it's surprisingly hard to find a poppy to buy on the day.

I suspect this is footage from one of the previous Saturdays, and that it was used by far right sites to encourage the EDL to turn up.

It all went pretty well. I have always been a huge supporter of the police and they certainly did a good job in preserving people's freedoms to march, criticise Israel; also to allow the nation - most of the 67 m of us - to remember the WWI and WWII deaths and the fight for our freedoms; and everyone else out and about yesterday.

As for the man on the link above ranting about things is just one man although he does in his statement say ask "why every hundred years the zionists get slaughtered". It is very very very clear he is not talking about the modern state of Israel founded after WII. He certainly is not happy Jews have a country in their original homeland (even though plenty of muslim nations have countries out that way too and even though vast numbers of people on the planet of many kinds don't have their own nations and just put up with it and get on with life).

Looking at the news this morning, there have been 126 arrests (vast majority from the far right) and a number of Met Police appeals about those in the crowd they want to identify and interview possibly leading idc to further arrests.

@headcheffer I think it would be fine to wear both. There were many veterans at the march yesterday wearing both. They are certainly not mutually exclusive.

If fundamentalist Islamists aren't Far Right, I don't know who is. That's why the Far Left think they are their friends. The are two cheeks of the same arse. Just like Stalin and Hitler.

I’m not sure it’s just the far left who thinks they are friends

It’s more to the centre on the left on that

It is not misleading and it was yesterday. Of course poppy sellers are still going to set up on the day! It’s probably the best time to catch the last minute buyers. I saw them myself in my own London borough tube station yesterday.

https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/1723362774066049261?s=

I am sick of bringing “evidence” to those with their heads purposely in the sand. There is currently a two tier policing system in this country which first became apparent when 1000s of white working class girls and smaller amount of none Muslim girls or colour being raped and attacked was allowed to pass. You turn your face to it now because it suits your own experiences and mind set. Personally I’m not happy living in a society policed this way but you do you and don’t complain when the consequences bite you or your loved ones. You’re naive in the extreme if you think that couldn’t happen because your position in life won’t allow it.

I was in central London yesterday (not for the march, visiting a friend and got right buggered up in the traffic chaos) and the poppy stands had gone.

That is normal timing for the end of the campaign

Wearing "free Palestine" is a complex phrase. Does it mean a sovereign democratic nation of Gaza and the West Bank with Israel keeping the rest of its land?
Or does it mean Israel to cease to exist and a new muslim state founded covering all of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza?

I think we need to stop perpetuating the fairy tale about peaceful marches because they're absolutely not - the images and videos of what people feel emboldened to do and say in the UK are horrifying. It's not about a war 3000 miles away, it's an opportunity to make the most rancid sewer antisemitism and religious extremism mainstream in the UK and it has to be stopped.

It's similar on here, it's just the latest in a long line of topics from Brexit to Covid to whatever else where some can gleefully (non)virtue signal in the most overwrought, tiresome manner and try to outdo each other in crying over the most lurid scenarios they can come up with. The news cycle will move on soon enough and these threads will be forgotten. I'm not looking forward to the next round of competitive grief though.

Well said

A thread from someone that attended the marche yesterday. I didn’t know a 2 mins silence was respected during the pro Palestinian march

https://twitter.com/JohnWRees/status/1723608484921352386

The reason there is no poppy stand on 11 Nov is that they all close up - it's surprisingly hard to find a poppy to buy on the day.

False. There were lots of poppy sellers out yesterday. My local Tesco’s had Scouts and Guides selling them. It’s not like supermarkets running out of stock of Easter Eggs on Good Friday and just having empty shelves.

"Competitive grief"???

Are you comparing people protesting about Brexit with those calling for a stop to the genocide? Are you seriously comparing the two and are annoyed by people describing their shock and bewilderment at what's happening in Palestine and demanding a stop to the atrocities? Is this what you describe as "competitive grief"???

I hope I misread your post.