Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza over 10,000 😡

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Number of Palestinians killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza tops 10,000 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/number-of-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza-tops-10000

I wholeheartedly agree, this war is for destruction and as the Israeli minister said himself 'razing Gaza to the ground'

And why do you think? After 30 days of bombing indiscriminately and mercilessly and thousands of deaths and constantly being an obstacle for life saving aid... Israel still has the nerve to say there isn't even a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Please tell me what is "shocking?" I have based any opinion and subsequent arguments on facts.

And yet not once do I see an acknowledgement that the attacks on October 7th changed everything for Israel, that actually things were moving towards greater peace (relatively speaking- still a long way to go) not only as regards the process with Saudi Arabia but also another 10,000 work permits for Gazans, and this was destroyed deliberately by Hamas not only breaking the ceasefire but committing the worst atrocity against Jewish people since the Holocaust. Straight away it's "oh it's a land grab, it's a genocide" as if that was the trajectory prior to the terror attack and, what, Israel was just waiting for their chance to get away with it?? They pulled out of Gaza over a decade ago. They made the mistake of making far too many concessions towards Hamas, who are nakedly and unashamedly genocidal towards the Jewish people. If you constantly ascribe the worst possible motives towards an entire country and fail to understand the trauma and horror inflicted upon them and the very real fear of what has actually been promised by Hamas leadership- repeats of October 7th, over and over again- then yes I do find that both shocking and hateful.

If you directed that towards me then you have missed many of my points where I have mentioned that especially at the start of the war. Iv been saying repeatedly that Hamas is aiming to isolate Israel from the rest of the world by getting them to do the unthinkable in retaliation and its clearly working.
What is happening now infront of our eyes cannot be ignored regardless of the past history and Israel is dismissing every single country or organisation who is trying to point this out.

No other country is as disrespectful of the UN and its laws and regulations as Israel which has been breaking them since its inception.
The Israeli envoy's tantrum after Guterres's call for an immediate ceasefire was pathetic. Not to mention his wearing the yellow star

Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses
Ramp Up Pressure for Accountability on all Sides
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses

@Parkingt111 I directed it to you in response to your question, I am not talking about your views.

I agree.
Israel will always rely on the US to veto any sensible resolution dealing with them. That's the right of the veto for you! 😡

OK. I often try and think how I would feel if people were bashing my country, the country of my parents rationally or irrationally and how it would make me feel. It can't be nice at all when you feel such loyalty towards it (the country where my family originate from is btw bashed often but in ways I think it mostly deserves it)
But there is far too much at stake here to hold back on the disaster that is unfolding to save peoples feelings
Many who wish well for Israel are also trying to point out that this will not only be disastrous for Gaza in the long run, But Israel too
There will be no winners here

Thanks, it's not my country but I do find the demonisation really disturbing. Like what's happening is all part of some 'evil Zionist' plot rather than a response to an appalling act of terror. Your critique is not in that category.

My day as a doctor at Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital | Close Up https://www.aljazeera.com/program/al-jazeera-close-up/2023/11/6/aje-onl-cu_horroratgazahospital-061123

"That's currently Israels plan".

I take real issue with this. Where is the evidence that occupation is Israel's plan?
It might be your opinion but a dangerous one to state it as a fact.

I.e. why should they take care of gazans security?

I don't think they're interested in an occupation.
After all they pretty much had the gazans under seige even without constant military presence.
The fact that they control borders, food, electricity and allow military incursions into gaza pretty much says as such.
Many human rights organisations have long considered Gaza under a form of seige or occupation despite Israels removal of military force.

This is not evidence is it?

Tbh I really don't care what you think as you have been consistently hostile and I don't wish to converse with you

According to the UN and other groups Gaza is already under occupation of sorts
This would further enforce it

you can take it as you want. It’s what Israel’s government is saying. The war was meant to be to get the hostages back. This doesn’t have anything to do with the hostages at all but about power and control 🤷🏻‍♀️

The war was and is meant to be to destroy Hamas's capability to carry out further attacks, as well as the return of hostages. This is not difficult information to find.

Not according to Biden who has warned Israel not to reoccupy.

"On October 15, US President Joe Biden cautioned Israel not to “reoccupy” Gaza. This choice of words touched on a core debate: is Israel occupying the Gaza Strip—such that it owes protections to the population there—or is it not?
Israel believes it “disengaged” from Gaza in 2005 when it completely withdrew its military and civilians from the area. With this withdrawal, Israel and the United States—as well as many international legal, military, and foreign policy experts—argue that Israel ceded the effective control needed under the legal definition of occupation, therefore ending the occupation."

If you destroy hamas then why do you need to control the security of another country than

I believe that it is my right to point out when an incorrect fact is presented on Mumsnet.

I would love for the people who insist that this is just Isrsel protecting themselves and that it is all about catching Hamas to watch Motazs instagram stories from an hour ago where he runs to building that has just been bombed and tell me what part of that looks like protection or catching Hamas. What part of the mums screaming hysterically for their children is about protecting Israelis? What part of the toddler being pulled limp from the rubble is about catching Hamas? I don't get it. I just see acts of terror and a massacre. I would genuinely, really love to know how that scene is protecting Israelis? Because I don't get it? I don't understand what those screaming mums, what those terrified children, what that poor toddler are doing to Israel that is so bad they need this to happen to them to protect Israelis from them.

Ah like how you pointed out yesterday if biden was annoyed or 'seriously annoyed', was that another incorrect fact you wanted to point out?
You will find when you are rude and condescending even if you have a point there will be few people who are willing to engage with you. UN saying they believe Gaza is still under a form of occupation is a fact

And you can stop tagging me as this will be my last response to you

Thats exactly what they are interested in occupation and eventually over time reducing the amount of space palestinians have replacing it with israeli settlements like they are doing in the west bank.