What should the Israeli government do?

[auberginefortea]

I thought I'd start this thread to explicitly ask the question. What should the Israeli government do?

I honestly don't know. I appreciate that Israel was attacked on October 7, and that they need to respond. I'm sure everyone wants peace, but what can Israel do?

So you expect Israel to agree to open its gates during a war and risk allowing in those who want to exterminate them?

Like these ones probably

@MrTiddlesTheCat

It is not a perfect solution, absolutely high risk and dangerous. The alternatives also are terrible. What are your ideas?

@EasterIssland the question posed on this thread is ‘what should Israel do’? It is a hypothetical question. I’m not sure how your post is relevant to that

It works both ways too. If I were Palestinian I wouldn't feel safe in Israel when they actually seem to be going about exterminating them. Bombing refugee camps, bombing places they are telling people are safe zones,starving everyone of food, water and aid, not to mention what is happening in the West Bank. A release of the hostages on both sides and a ceasefire is the only logical way to stop the killing now and that needs to be a priority. As far as I am aware, Hamas have agreed to a ceasefire and to release their hostages if Israel does the same but I am open to correction on that.

It's pure fantasy.

I have no idea what the solution is beyond knowing that nobody is safe until Hamas is gone.

@MrTiddlesTheCat

I can also see where you are coming from which is why I don’t see how a ceasefire will solve this or prevent more bloodshed.

It’s extremely difficult

Which post ? My last one is adding some info to a reply to your comment about safe corridors and how Israel is not respecting these safe corridors so it might not be relevant to the thread but it’s a reply to your comment

I don't think a ceasefire is the answer either.

I don’t see how a ceasefire will [...] prevent more bloodshed.

This, literally, only makes sense if you completely disregard Palestinian deaths and their blood being shed!

The whole point why so many people are calling for an urgent ceasefire is precisely because of the insane levels of bloodshed happening - all mid-to-long-term considerations notwithstanding!

Exactly! Why does that have to be spelled out?

‘Hamas will release the hostages if the Israelis stop fighting’

That’s not a request for a ceasefire from Hamas, it’s a demand that one side stops. The same Hamas leader also denies that any Israeli civilians were targeted on 7th October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67321241
So how can there be any possibility of solutions when this is the attitude?
It’s like the IDF saying no innocent civilians will be harmed in Northern Gaza, because they will all have moved south as instructed.

Some posters really don't understand how a ceasefire will prevent more bloodshed?

IDF stop dropping bombs > Gazans aren't killed in the explosions

There you go.

It isn't meant to be a long-term solution, and frankly it doesn't matter if you view them as collateral damage or "civilians will always be harmed". If it happens now, innocent people don't die and a long-term solution can be worked on and hopefully quickly found.

Except they are still bombing the south

Hamas' stated aim is the murder of 16 million people. Hamas must be stopped. Hamas can stop the bloodshed immediately by surrendering themselves.

Hamas might stop but Hamas is behind an ideology and many years of pain from Palestinians. Unless this pain is eased and their lives acknowledged Hamas will continue and if it’s not hamas then it will be Hamas v2.0 with a different name. Until this is fixed there will be more blood from both sides

Finally someone else talking sense
@MrTiddlesTheCat do you really think that Israel will achieve this?
Maybe you do and that is your opinion but there are an increasing amount of people who do not

@EasterIssland spot on what you were saying
In the Guardian today

Israel doesn't like the UN because unlike the US who only says what serves their own interest, the UN actually tells them the hard truths they don't like to hear

No I don't. Because ultimately the problem is Iran and absolutely nobody wants to start that skip fire.

So Palestinian bloodshed is fine by you? More than 10000 dead, all bakeries in Northern Gaza out of action so no food, only salt water to drink, 25,000 people injured, 1.5million people displaced.

Israel are actually in the process of killing off an entire population but because apart from a few loons they haven't actually stated that that is their aim that's OK? What's that saying 'When they show you who they are, listen.' Israel are actually showing us what they want to do to Palestinians even if they aren't saying it.

I never said that. But crack on putting words in my mouth to suit your agenda.

Sorry could you elaborate on that point please?
I don't fully understand what you mean
Genuine question btw not goady

Nice non-sequitur there - that was not what I called your logic out for!

You, again, literally said "I don’t see how a ceasefire will [...] prevent more bloodshed" - when it is blatantly obvious that putting a stop to indiscriminate bombing will, logically, result in a stop to bloodshed resulting directly from said bombing.

I think the position you are actually arguing for - if spelled out - boils down to this:

"I am more concerned over potential future deaths of Israelis than I am against those of Palestinians - and I am against a ceasefire because I happen to believe enough bombing can prevent the former. I am therefore willing to accept the latter."

Now, needless to say, I vehemently disagree with this position. In fact, I find it quite horribly racist in that it is extremely clear in its underlying assumption that some lives matter more - but spelled out like that it is at the very least logically consistent!

@MrTiddlesTheCat oh actually I get what you mean
So you also believe that Israel will not be able to fully destroy Hamas in this war? But because of Iran?