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How do prevent the rise of anti Semitic feeling in the UK?

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mids2019 · 03/11/2023 10:09

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12705139/Jewish-ambassador-says-London-feels-safe-Israel-jihad-ideology-exploded-capitals-streets.html

Will the continuous marches in London lead to an environment where anti semitism becomes acceptable? There has been a massive rise in hate crime against Jews and surely in the UK we have a duty to prevent any platform which may lead to unjustified hatred of a group in the UK?

I feel we should feel pride we have a diverse society with a while range of ethnicities and religions but we should always act to encourage social cohesion by not allowing events that could contain messages of hate.

Although the support of the Palestinian people is absolutely reasonable in terms of free speech in a democratic society and it is reasonable to comment on the actions of the Israeli state at times the marches in a lot of major British cities have the danger of including terrorist apologists.

Jewish ambassador says London feels less safe than Israel

Tzipi Hotovely told the Daily Telegraph that the Jewish community felt fear due to 'jihad ideology' witnessed during pro-Palestinian protests in the capital city over the past month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12705139/Jewish-ambassador-says-London-feels-safe-Israel-jihad-ideology-exploded-capitals-streets.html

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basculin · 09/01/2024 13:01

I have to admit, I'm pleasantly surprised. I had my doubts the police would actually do anything.

FordAnglia · 09/01/2024 13:15

Re the marches which this thread is essentially about (see OP), Keir Starmer, that generally spineless master of waffle, made it clear in his new year election year interview on Sky News that he was in favour of allowing the marches to continue in the interests of free speech.
It was one of the few clear things he said in an interview of generally Keir waffle/questions about his family etc.

Of course any anti semitism within the marches or anywhere else should be jumped upon. We have the laws to facilitate that.

etmoiandme · 09/01/2024 13:21

"Will the continuous marches in London lead to an environment where anti semitism becomes acceptable?"

As per the OP, the thread has been faithful to that.

Humdingerydoo · 09/01/2024 13:45

I still think a good start would be if the organisers of the marches called out the undesirables who join them by name and specify why they're not welcome. That way, even if they join regardless just like Tommy Robinson and his friends tried with the march against antisemitism, it is clear that they don't represent the rest of the marchers and that you don't agree with them supporting terrorists and/or antisemitism. And after each march they should actively and openly be helping the police track down anyone who has done something illegal eg praised or glorified Hamas or brought antisemitic posters. It really isn't hard to take these steps, it's minimal effort.

stomachameleon · 09/01/2024 15:53

@etmoiandme that is a fantastic and welcome surprise.

SomeCatFromJapan · 10/01/2024 14:15

Apparently the BBC ran a Hamas claim that the IDF had carried out mass executions, which they subsequently had to retract. Not sure if anyone else has seen it.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/383326

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/383326

Trulywonderful · 10/01/2024 15:10

Antisemitism in the United States has increased 360% since October 7

3,283 incidents of violent Jew-hatred in only three months

That’s an average of 34 a day

mids2019 · 11/01/2024 00:05

@Humdingerydoo

I think that would be ideal. However I think a lot of marchers implicitly (though not explicitly) support Hamas or at least don't condemn them. There are lot of calls for ceasefire when in reality they mean the Israeli army stop their attacks.

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etmoiandme · 11/01/2024 00:22

Whatever their version of ceasefire, I'd rather hear calls for a ceasefire than calls for an intifada.

https://twitter.com/hurryupharry/status/1745157588633743737

https://twitter.com/hurryupharry/status/1745157588633743737

Trulywonderful · 11/01/2024 00:44

etmoiandme · 11/01/2024 00:22

Whatever their version of ceasefire, I'd rather hear calls for a ceasefire than calls for an intifada.

https://twitter.com/hurryupharry/status/1745157588633743737

Outside Parliament calling for violence

How exactly are they not arrested for that

Policing of these protests is seriously weird

SomeCatFromJapan · 11/01/2024 08:42

I've noticed both in the UK and US that certain flavours of protest will be stopped, arrests etc but others seem far, far more tolerated. It depends if they're considered right wing or left wing.
Not that I support the far right stuff either obviously, but I think elements of the left have gone completely mad.

FordAnglia · 11/01/2024 08:57

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SomeCatFromJapan · 11/01/2024 09:01

Morning Suella

Morning Jeremy.

XRAYTHIS · 11/01/2024 09:06

Trulywonderful · 11/01/2024 00:44

Outside Parliament calling for violence

How exactly are they not arrested for that

Policing of these protests is seriously weird

I've watched this and other clips further down on that account and there are numerous accounts of hate speech from the pro Palestine shouters, anti semitism, support for houties, calls for action. Basically supporting terrorism. Its dreadful and sadly allowed.

noblegiraffe · 11/01/2024 09:06

Not that I support the far right stuff either obviously, but I think elements of the left have gone completely mad.

Standing outside parliament calling for people to commit violent acts of terrorism against UK citizens is quite something.

XRAYTHIS · 11/01/2024 09:08

noblegiraffe · 11/01/2024 09:06

Not that I support the far right stuff either obviously, but I think elements of the left have gone completely mad.

Standing outside parliament calling for people to commit violent acts of terrorism against UK citizens is quite something.

This.

Remember 7th July London attacks. Well these people are calling for violent acts. How will that help Palestine? How is that allowed. Lots of these need arresting.

Trulywonderful · 11/01/2024 09:22

WESTMINSTER BRIDGE TERRORIST ATTACK on 22nd March 2017

The attack claimed the lives of six people and left 29 people injured.

The sit down protest reported the other day was basically in the same place or next too it. Videos show protesters calling for and supporting violence. It is like some have completely no respect for anything or moral compass at all. Shouting support for the Houthi a terrorist group in this location was probably one of the lowest points so far.

stomachameleon · 11/01/2024 09:28

Morning Suella

Really? Ridiculous comment.

Trulywonderful · 11/01/2024 10:07

stomachameleon · 11/01/2024 09:28

Morning Suella

Really? Ridiculous comment.

You expected better from Ford?

FordAnglia · 11/01/2024 11:57

stomachameleon · 11/01/2024 09:28

Morning Suella

Really? Ridiculous comment.

Not at all.
I was responding, to:

>>I've noticed both in the UK and US that certain flavours of protest will be stopped, arrests etc but others seem far, far more tolerated. It depends if they're considered right wing or left wing.

This charge of the police somehow being biased in favour of "left wing" demos was made by Suella. Amidst much concern that she was trying to interfere with/strong-arm the police. Thereby threatening liberties and the constitutional division of power. Vital safeguards. For this and related matters she was forced to resign.
I think it also worth pointing out that the UK and the US are vastly different countries politically and socially. In so so many ways. There is no transatlantic conspiracy.
Thank god Suella went - she was a menace contributing nothing to peace anywhere. In fact she relished causing division.

BrutChoronzon · 11/01/2024 13:04

FordAnglia · 11/01/2024 11:57

Not at all.
I was responding, to:

>>I've noticed both in the UK and US that certain flavours of protest will be stopped, arrests etc but others seem far, far more tolerated. It depends if they're considered right wing or left wing.

This charge of the police somehow being biased in favour of "left wing" demos was made by Suella. Amidst much concern that she was trying to interfere with/strong-arm the police. Thereby threatening liberties and the constitutional division of power. Vital safeguards. For this and related matters she was forced to resign.
I think it also worth pointing out that the UK and the US are vastly different countries politically and socially. In so so many ways. There is no transatlantic conspiracy.
Thank god Suella went - she was a menace contributing nothing to peace anywhere. In fact she relished causing division.

Do you have any ideas on how to prevent anti-Semitism in the UK?

SomeCatFromJapan · 11/01/2024 13:15

Do you have any ideas on how to prevent anti-Semitism in the UK?

I certainly do. I think for now the police need to make it quite clear through their actions that anti-Semitic signs and slogans, and calling for violence and terrorism, are not acceptable and anyone doing so should be arrested and charged.
The UK needs to develop a culture of zero tolerance for anti-Semitism before worse and worse speech gets normalised and spills over into worse, we're already seeing acts of vandalism also.

SomeCatFromJapan · 11/01/2024 14:57

https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1745448413510938791

This for instance is behaviour I'd like to see trigger arrests.

https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1745448413510938791