Is anyone's mental health affected by simply reading about the horrors of October 7th

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I keep reading details in the Daily Mail and I know journalists have been given a video of the atrocities but it is absolutely harrowing. I understand large broadcasters can not go into detail as the events were to shocking for a general audience and in reality I think even written descriptions are worse than any thing I have read or watched.

Has anyone felt some outlet to express disgust is helpful (as some sort of therapy)?

Yeah but you’re saying one is a victim and the other the aggressor. I’m not.

@Coshofliving two days after Hiroshima (8th august)., as agreed in the Yalta and the Tehran conferences In 1943 and 1946 josef Stalin declared war on Japan.

This has widely to have been assumed as to why Truman ordered Nagasaki not only for further force them to Surrender but to show the Soviet's military might.

Everyone in the modern world sees things in terms of goodies and baddies. Which are which depends where you are. And whether or not you're losing. Israel/Palestine is a cipher both ways. Which sucks, if you're an actual person who happens to live there.

@Coshofliving do you?

@Stomacharmeleon I get pulled all ways really, my work means I've done that. Tbh I'm in my fifties now and I just wish people would stfu and start fucking listening to each other. It's not like we haven't been here before.

But then I remember people saying that when I was young and passionate and believed in shit so probably it will all carry on.

I mean, I remember people saying that when I was young and passionate and I ignored them, because what did they know, right?

( only the full weight of history, but whatever.)

7th Dec 1941 Japanese Empire attacked neutral USA colony, why? Please elaborate x

Why does anyone attack anyone? Strategy. They thought it would pay off. It didn't, obviously, in retrospect. They didn't factor the nuke into their calculations. At that point it was a distant shadow, not the monster actually decimating humankind it's become.

The reason is because we know better, we don’t support the nazis because they’re racist bastards. We don’t support the Russians because they are communist bastards ( aka people under a dictatorship without any say or control over their situation literally zero change from life under a tsar vs life under putin) but hey, three cheers for communism! Most suppressed people don’t care if they’re being suppressed by a corrupt blood line government or a greedy corrupt government. Outcome - the same. If someone can explain to me how China is a communist country with its wealth being benefited by all rather than a corrupt nation with only the elite being able to access ‘rights’ and benefits please explain. I’m all ears.

Ok, I'm seeing a lot of truth here but I'm not sure what point you're addressing.

I agree with you that neither Russia nor China have experienced democracy, and as they're global powers we need to think about what that means, for all of us. I don't think we really have and are kind of sleepwalking in the worst way. Re fascists/ Nazis, sadly that's not gone away. You know your man in Ukraine that everyone loves because he "stood up to Russia" (see, there's that goodies/baddies narrative again), his own state army is the only army in the world to include avowed neo nazi troupes. Yes following the ex Yugoslavia war (anyone remember that? Yeah thought not but it was actual genocide) all these little fascists sprung up across eastern Europe and zelenskiy for one was very fucking happy to harness them while consolidating his oligarch wealth. And now he's apparently the only person who can save us from Russia. While Russia has bought every new housing development in the city of London since 2000. It is all bullshit.

I thought I wan’t going to like you, then you go and post something that I agree with 100%. I think we have the same end goal, people need to stop being dicks. P

Yes, we agree! But no one else does. Sucks to be us really.

Or, sucks to be us and everyone else.

Totally agree. Awful denying what happened. Disgusting comments.

It's an extension of the Jew bashing, antisemitism that pervades many of these threads.

And I say that as a Jewish person who has never supported Israeli politics.

If you’re going to make such large claims regarding what Hamas did then I suggest you back it up with links and quotes, like most people do.

For the record, I do “condemn” what Hamas did, which, from the evidence that has been verified by third parties (such as the human rights watch), comprised of them killing civilians.

However, there is a huge amount that is circulating that is not properly evidenced.

One such example is that Hamas “burned babies alive in ovens”:

“However, while in his initial statements, Beers seemingly accused Hamas of burning the baby alive in the oven, in an interview with the New York Sun, Beer clarified that they do not know what exactly transpired at the house where the baby was found dead in the oven.

Beer told the Sun that he does not know if the baby was placed there by Hamas or the parents who were trying to protect the child from the assailants who broke into their home and killed them before setting the house on fire.”

I don’t think it’s helpful to spread unverified accounts (i.e. rumours), when this hysteria is what is being used to justify killing kids and babies in their thousands.

What Hamas did (i.e. the deliberate killing of innocent civilians) is already morally wrong and a war crime.

There is first responder statements @Milkandhoneybees.
It has been on several threads.

Are you talking about Eli Beer? Please read my post again.

Beer clarified that he was not sure if the parents put the baby there to hide them from Hamas and that the baby could have just burnt in the house fire, rather than being put in there by Hamas and roasted.

I would also like to add that a paramedic is not an expert in forensics.

Do you not think it sounds completely far-fetched that someone would bake a baby?

I feel like people have lost all sense of reality in their grief and the people who stand to benefit from that grief are using it to their advantage.

I think you have an extreme double standard about this and it's in incredibly poor taste to blunder onto a thread for people who are sharing their emotions about the atrocity, to demand more evidence and put forward ludicrous theories about parents putting their own baby in an oven for safe keeping.

Absolutely not.

Why would I be affected by the Muslims and Jews who have been fighting for many decades. I'm neither of those religions and also the war isn't a threat to me in the uk,

You speak in hyperbole as if that’s going to add weight to what are empty words.

If you don’t care about truth then that’s your prerogative, crack on, but you’re not the only person on this thread.

That “ridiculous theory” was proposed by Eli Beer, the same man who said that Hamas put the baby in the oven. Read my posts again.

The fact that you think that what he’s saying is crackpot nonsense, really says a lot! I’d have to agree with you there.

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Here are some more things he has said:

The soldiers sliced open the stomach of a pregnant mother, “took out the baby, and stabbed the little tiny baby in front of her and then shot her in front of her family,” he said.

“These are not regular enemies, these are not regular situations,” Beer added. “I saw little kids who were beheaded. We didn’t know which head belonged to which kid.”

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It’s all from the same guy…

Once again, what happened on 7th October is already horrific without some nut job having his 5 minutes of fame, spouting completely unsubstantiated claims.

I just googled him and they’re now going to parade him around the US to spout his claims in order to drum up support:

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rymtz11tga

Even ZAKA (a disaster victim identification organisation in Israel) have said his claims are false.

Asher Moskowitz, a member of a rescue team, is one who said he actually found it. It's quite possible they were both there.

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/i-saw-a-baby-who-had-been-baked-in-an-oven-says-israeli-emergency-worker-6A8bb0Tq56ytMO46OevOzy

And no, neither he or Eli Beer are forensic scientists but Israel has quite a few of those.

TBH, I'd have thought at one time it sounded far-fetched that somebody would deliberately chop the hands or feet off a child but it definitely looks like that happened on the 7th of October.

Edited to add link.

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Even ZAKA (a disaster victim identification organisation in Israel) have said his claims are false.

Do you have a source for that?

Could be both,

for several reasons on 7 th October while many people on this side of wall are celebrating and dancing..at the same place other side of the wall, there is no life and hope makes me much more distressed.

If Gazans elected Hama's, Israelis accepted Nethanyahu. Both are same.

Though both civilians went in same path, you find people like me sympathising the weakest is blamed as anti-Semitism.