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Conflict in the Middle East

Is anyone's mental health affected by simply reading about the horrors of October 7th

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mids2019 · 02/11/2023 19:24

I keep reading details in the Daily Mail and I know journalists have been given a video of the atrocities but it is absolutely harrowing. I understand large broadcasters can not go into detail as the events were to shocking for a general audience and in reality I think even written descriptions are worse than any thing I have read or watched.

Has anyone felt some outlet to express disgust is helpful (as some sort of therapy)?

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ladymactíre · 03/11/2023 12:20

No, it didn't affect my mental health. I got emotional , I still do, but it's nothing compared with what the people that are in the war are going through. I'm safe, I'm waking up in the morning, I have heat, food, water, health....

I was horrified by what human beings are able to do and surprised to see other human beings looking for excuses. I found the debate around beheaded babies appalling. Does it matter?! Babies were murdered intentionally, does it matter how?! I am still disgusted about that. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies murdering a baby or child, kidnapping a baby or child.

Nobody cared about Palestine Israel conflict 2 months ago. Most of the people didn't even know where they are. Even now, most of them just follow the crowd and crave to be included, without having a clue of what's happening or why.

It makes me sad to see masses of people in Europe, America, Australia calling for Jews to be killed. In the year of 2023! Worse: it's called freedom of speech. But telling a man in a dress he's not a woman is hate speech

Nobody cares about the Armenians now, or Afghans, or Christians in Nigeria, or Christians in Nicaragua, or minorities in China, or many other horrific events happening around the globe. Because media doesn't care about them.

Stopactingsosmall · 03/11/2023 12:21

gravitytester · 02/11/2023 20:07

This.

I don't care how much Israel 'has the right to defend itself' or Hamas are 'using human shields'. They are knowing and purposefully killing thousands and innocent men, women and children under the guise of aiming to get to the few.

I feel for the poor families and victims of October 7th, but I am disgusted by the Israeli government, as much as I am disgusted by Hamas.

This. My feelings and thoughts.

etmoietmoietmoi · 03/11/2023 12:24

@Irishwelshetal I've never seen antisemitism referred to as a "vibe" before, but you know what, it's an absolutely perfect descriptor of much of the casual antisemitism I've encountered or seen over the last 10 years, particularly among the left.

minsmum · 03/11/2023 12:48

I read a report somewhere that one of the first responders to the massacre on 7 October was so traumatised that he has killed himself. I can't even imagine how awful it was and to see the rise of antisemitism in the West is horrific

tuscanpoppy · 03/11/2023 13:44

minsmum · 03/11/2023 12:48

I read a report somewhere that one of the first responders to the massacre on 7 October was so traumatised that he has killed himself. I can't even imagine how awful it was and to see the rise of antisemitism in the West is horrific

Where did you read this? Please link to your source if you're going to make these kind of statements on MN.

thinkfast · 03/11/2023 13:50

@Milkandhoneybees please examine your own biases before you question mine.

Many posters on Mumsnet and on other social media platforms and in real life blame Jewish people and hold Jewish people responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. As far as I can see, the only possible reason to attribute blame to Jews for this is Jew hatred/antisemitism. Conflating Jews and Israelis is a classic example of antisemitism.

By all means criticise the Israeli government if you wish (but please then criticise Hamas too). But no one should be scapegoating Jews for Israeli government actions - and plenty of people are.

ProvincialLady1 · 03/11/2023 13:53

Milkandhoneybees · 03/11/2023 12:14

The Israeli government and IDF have killed 3,500 kids and babies in 3 weeks.

But your conclusion is that it’s because everyone hates Jewish people?

The only way that you can see the world that way is if you truly do not see all lives as equal. 30 to 40 Jewish child deaths on the 7th October is immeasurably more important to you, than nearly 4,000 Palestinian child deaths. That’s without noting the ones that are suffering the horror of mangled little limbs, no anaesthetic, no food, no clean water, the constant sound of death and destruction, and those who are slowly dying whilst being trapped under rubble.

There is simply no other reason that you can come to your conclusion.

At least try examine your own biases and prejudices. Please.

Just because you fail to understand, doesn't mean there is 'no other reason you can come to your conclusion'. There have been scores of verified antisemitic incidents in the past few weeks (far more if you include online activity), so that would be one reason to feel that way. Another is that there actually is a difference morally between deliberately murdering and torturing civilians, and taking military action to destroy the terrorist infrastructure which is an existential threat to your country. It doesn't mean the value of people's lives is suddenly measured on a score board.

backtowinter · 03/11/2023 13:56

minsmum · 03/11/2023 12:48

I read a report somewhere that one of the first responders to the massacre on 7 October was so traumatised that he has killed himself. I can't even imagine how awful it was and to see the rise of antisemitism in the West is horrific

I read the same. Poor man

Milkandhoneybees · 03/11/2023 14:23

ProvincialLady1 · 03/11/2023 13:53

Just because you fail to understand, doesn't mean there is 'no other reason you can come to your conclusion'. There have been scores of verified antisemitic incidents in the past few weeks (far more if you include online activity), so that would be one reason to feel that way. Another is that there actually is a difference morally between deliberately murdering and torturing civilians, and taking military action to destroy the terrorist infrastructure which is an existential threat to your country. It doesn't mean the value of people's lives is suddenly measured on a score board.

@thinkfast @ProvincialLady1 I absolutely have empathy for anti-Semitism. I present as white-ish, I have Jewish ancestry (although I don’t know much about who they were, but it was something I found out), multiple people (both Jewish and not Jewish) have assumed I’m Jewish. My two best friends are both Jewish. I was even abused by the parents of one of my friends at school for being Jewish, despite not being Jewish, simply because of how I look!

Even though I present as white-ish, as soon as I explain where my parents came from, and I am “outed” as a secret ethnic minority, I have been on the receiving end of everything from the classic “go back home” (thanks, but I was born here) to being told by a work colleague that my parents must “have a sob story of arriving here on a banana boat” - one of my parents is indeed a refugee, so that was a fun one to navigate.

My two best friends have been my best friends for 15+ years, and something that we first bonded over, time and again, is having to make self-deprecating jokes in order to feel somewhat accepted. Our experiences are very similar.

With all that being said, I am absolutely tired of this concept that all dissent against the Israeli government is as a result of anti-Semitic feelings that have had a chance to take hold.

I absolutely agree that there are racists amongst us, but to suggest that one of the worst humanitarian disasters in recent history, with a disgustingly high death toll of kids and babies, is only being so vehemently criticised is because of latent anti-Semitism requires such cognitive dissonance that I truly find it hard to fathom. That’s without even mentioning the oppression, torture and routine killing and detention of Palestinian kids that came before this.

How can you justify their suffering in your head and call it legitimate?

A little 6 year old kid was stabbed to death for being Muslim in the States. His mum barely survived her wounds. The killer used to be their friend, but listened to a large amount of right-wing talk radio prior to killing a child; his neighbour. There have also been other Muslims killed and hate crimes against Muslims off the back of this. Muslim women who wear hijab are very clearly “marked” and are prime targets for this.

So this is happening to both Muslims and Jewish people. People must unite, rather than turning inwards to only their own community and living with fear. Only those in power will stand to benefit.

I am so sorry people have made you feel shit for being Jewish, but for the vast, vast majority of us, this isn’t that, and if/when those people pop up, we’ll all tell them to fuck off!

IAmtheVampiresWife · 03/11/2023 14:43

Last night I read the report about Hamas roasting a baby in an oven and the heating element being found stuck to the baby's body. I couldn't sleep for thinking about this. Why do Hamas have to be so evil? Killing by shooting or bombing is one thing but why individual atrocities like this and decapitating an unborn baby?

Alcemeg · 03/11/2023 14:50

Ohlalalalala · 02/11/2023 19:41

You should avoid reading the DailyFail which, as @Hellers beautifully put it, "revel in the gory details to a disgusting degree", besides the fact that their "journalism" -if you can call it that- leaves a lot to be desired.

Look up "Atrocity Propaganda".

To answer the original question of this thread, yes 7 Oct is deeply traumatizing. It's made worse, though, by posts on MN, like this one, insinuating that it was just a bit of Israeli propaganda.

Oh, and the open celebration of 7 Oct in streets around the world? Utterly sickening. (Yet, weirdly, no one actually admits to supporting Hamas. It doesn't add up...)

7 Oct frightened me with a glimpse of just how depraved a bunch of psychopaths can be. The reactions since, including here on MN, have frightened me with a glimpse of just how vicious people are generally. There's a lot at stake here, and it's not just the future of Israel.

EasternStandard · 03/11/2023 14:53

Alcemeg · 03/11/2023 14:50

To answer the original question of this thread, yes 7 Oct is deeply traumatizing. It's made worse, though, by posts on MN, like this one, insinuating that it was just a bit of Israeli propaganda.

Oh, and the open celebration of 7 Oct in streets around the world? Utterly sickening. (Yet, weirdly, no one actually admits to supporting Hamas. It doesn't add up...)

7 Oct frightened me with a glimpse of just how depraved a bunch of psychopaths can be. The reactions since, including here on MN, have frightened me with a glimpse of just how vicious people are generally. There's a lot at stake here, and it's not just the future of Israel.

I agree with you. I have avoided much on this but posts like this are not good for the reasons you put.

Stomacharmeleon · 03/11/2023 14:53

@IAmtheVampiresWife now waiting for the 'whataboutery' and those that understand Hamas had been provoked whilst simultaneously adding they don't support them though.....

Draconis · 03/11/2023 14:55

"7 Oct frightened me with a glimpse of just how depraved a bunch of psychopaths can be. "

It is horrific and terrifying but how callous and murderous governments can be terrifies me more.

ProvincialLady1 · 03/11/2023 14:56

Milkandhoneybees · 03/11/2023 14:23

@thinkfast @ProvincialLady1 I absolutely have empathy for anti-Semitism. I present as white-ish, I have Jewish ancestry (although I don’t know much about who they were, but it was something I found out), multiple people (both Jewish and not Jewish) have assumed I’m Jewish. My two best friends are both Jewish. I was even abused by the parents of one of my friends at school for being Jewish, despite not being Jewish, simply because of how I look!

Even though I present as white-ish, as soon as I explain where my parents came from, and I am “outed” as a secret ethnic minority, I have been on the receiving end of everything from the classic “go back home” (thanks, but I was born here) to being told by a work colleague that my parents must “have a sob story of arriving here on a banana boat” - one of my parents is indeed a refugee, so that was a fun one to navigate.

My two best friends have been my best friends for 15+ years, and something that we first bonded over, time and again, is having to make self-deprecating jokes in order to feel somewhat accepted. Our experiences are very similar.

With all that being said, I am absolutely tired of this concept that all dissent against the Israeli government is as a result of anti-Semitic feelings that have had a chance to take hold.

I absolutely agree that there are racists amongst us, but to suggest that one of the worst humanitarian disasters in recent history, with a disgustingly high death toll of kids and babies, is only being so vehemently criticised is because of latent anti-Semitism requires such cognitive dissonance that I truly find it hard to fathom. That’s without even mentioning the oppression, torture and routine killing and detention of Palestinian kids that came before this.

How can you justify their suffering in your head and call it legitimate?

A little 6 year old kid was stabbed to death for being Muslim in the States. His mum barely survived her wounds. The killer used to be their friend, but listened to a large amount of right-wing talk radio prior to killing a child; his neighbour. There have also been other Muslims killed and hate crimes against Muslims off the back of this. Muslim women who wear hijab are very clearly “marked” and are prime targets for this.

So this is happening to both Muslims and Jewish people. People must unite, rather than turning inwards to only their own community and living with fear. Only those in power will stand to benefit.

I am so sorry people have made you feel shit for being Jewish, but for the vast, vast majority of us, this isn’t that, and if/when those people pop up, we’ll all tell them to fuck off!

Thanks, but none of that means your previous post made sense. It was a nonsequiter really - someone says there are people who hate Jews and you say the only reason you could think that is if you don't value Palestinian lives. It's nonsense, and it doesn't help that you immediately associate being Jewish with the actions of Israel as well as making a seemingly blanket statement denying the problem of antisemitism.

I'm not Jewish btw, but thank you for the compliment. 😊

Stomacharmeleon · 03/11/2023 14:56

'Atrocity propaganda' aka what actually happened in full graphic, painful detail that we don't to hear as we prefer the Israel bad/ Hamas misunderstood narrative.

With a smattering of.... I wasn't there. I never saw a dead baby. So did it really happen?

Acornsoup · 03/11/2023 14:57

The horrors since then have been much much worse

Stomacharmeleon · 03/11/2023 15:20

@Acornsoup than what?

Milkandhoneybees · 03/11/2023 15:25

ProvincialLady1 · 03/11/2023 14:56

Thanks, but none of that means your previous post made sense. It was a nonsequiter really - someone says there are people who hate Jews and you say the only reason you could think that is if you don't value Palestinian lives. It's nonsense, and it doesn't help that you immediately associate being Jewish with the actions of Israel as well as making a seemingly blanket statement denying the problem of antisemitism.

I'm not Jewish btw, but thank you for the compliment. 😊

My post that you replied to was written in response to the two following posts:

”It's made me feel so sad. I'm not Jewish but I hate, and I can never understand why, Jewish people are always blamed for everything and made to be scapegoats. I hate it so much.”

Then another poster replied:
“Thanks for your comments. It means a lot. The answer is easy though, many many many people hate Jews. That's the simple reason behind it.”

The only way my post would not make sense to you is if you did not actually bother to follow who I was initially replying to, and what the conversation was about.

You have instead made up your own origin of my post, and then twisted it to suit your meaning, which is, frankly, really quite odd, and it is in fact your own post that does not make sense.

I don’t want to engage with someone who can’t do the basics of following a thread, it is a waste of time, so thank you for your reply but I won’t be replying again in response.

thinkfast · 03/11/2023 15:28

@Milkandhoneybees you seem to really have a bee in your bonnet about my posts!

I replied to a different poster who asked why Jewish people are being scapegoated for the actions of the Israeli government. I gave my opinion on why that was. You went off on one and accused me of bias. I can't understand why, unless you're looking for an argument.

If you have an alternative theory of why some people are accusing Jews of being responsible for the actions of the Israeli government, perhaps you could say what your theory is and we could debate that, instead of misreading my post.

thinkfast · 03/11/2023 15:31

Thanks @ProvincialLady1 - you're absolutely right about the non sequitur.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 03/11/2023 15:49

tuscanpoppy · 03/11/2023 13:44

Where did you read this? Please link to your source if you're going to make these kind of statements on MN.

I saw it too. I think he was actually one of the drivers taking survivors away from the area.

ProvincialLady1 · 03/11/2023 15:49

thinkfast · 03/11/2023 15:31

Thanks @ProvincialLady1 - you're absolutely right about the non sequitur.

Thanks... I knew my spelling looked wrong!

ProvincialLady1 · 03/11/2023 15:53

Milkandhoneybees · 03/11/2023 15:25

My post that you replied to was written in response to the two following posts:

”It's made me feel so sad. I'm not Jewish but I hate, and I can never understand why, Jewish people are always blamed for everything and made to be scapegoats. I hate it so much.”

Then another poster replied:
“Thanks for your comments. It means a lot. The answer is easy though, many many many people hate Jews. That's the simple reason behind it.”

The only way my post would not make sense to you is if you did not actually bother to follow who I was initially replying to, and what the conversation was about.

You have instead made up your own origin of my post, and then twisted it to suit your meaning, which is, frankly, really quite odd, and it is in fact your own post that does not make sense.

I don’t want to engage with someone who can’t do the basics of following a thread, it is a waste of time, so thank you for your reply but I won’t be replying again in response.

It doesn't make sense. You are claiming that antisemitism is because of the actions of the Israeli government, and suggesting that anyone thinking otherwise doesn't see Palestinian lives as having equal value. Nothing about that makes any sense whatsoever.

pLtt78 · 03/11/2023 15:55

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