Why is Israeli bombing refugee camps in Gaza?

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Dozens dead

thank you for your voice of reason and i love your username by the way

@EasterIssland Many think this all happen out of nothing on the 7th of October.

Thats sick. To blame innocent victims. To suggest hamas were made to hack off a Thai workers head with a garden implement. Good Grief.

@eardefender I am anti-Israel in its current racist form. I never, ever said that I was pro-Hamas - so I don't know what you're talking about. But I do believe that if Israel has a 'right to defend itself' in any way it sees fit and at any cost, then it is not fair to tell the Palestinians, who Israel has been oppressing for 75+ years, that they have no right to resistance. Israel has been militant from its inception until today. It is one of the most militaristic societies in the world - there is nothing peaceful about it. It is sick, and I hope one day it gets the help it so badly needs.

Just be careful what you ask for. The Arab countries have not joined the war, but if they did it wouldn’t end well for anyone in the world. Arab nations like Kuwait, Qatar and Jordan have already started imposing sanctions on Israel. Hezbollah and Houthi group from Yemen have been involved in firing rockets at Israel. Iran and Syria won’t hesitate. Turkey has called for a ceasefire and has warned Israel. The last thing we want is for the Arab nations to say enough is enough and start world war 3. The only reason they are holding back is because they are hopeful of a ceasefire as countries put pressure in Israel. World war 3 with the Arab nations wouldn’t end well for any country in the world.

i was responding to you post, read it back
m*n

im not blaming innocent victims. Can you say where have I said that ?

Good to see that you have no real point to your responses.

m*n to you as well.

honestly i am surprised at the lack of action from Arab countries. I had read that palestinians and their cause were not that popular with some Arab states. It would appear to be true from what i can see. Western countries seem to be stepping in far more to temper the Israeli response than the neighbours are.

So what's your point @eardefender ? That Arab countries are as anti-Palestinian as you are?

are you describing the attacks on Israel and the hostage taking on 7th October as Hamas right to resist??????

OMG

@eardefender are you describing Israel's so-called 'retaliation' in which the army has openly said Palestinians are "animals in human form" and "children of darkness" and murdered THOUSANDS of innocents, displacing over 1 million - as a legitimate right to self-defense?!?!?! OMG

I made 4 clear points above, those are my points. If you read it again it might be clearer.

Anyone who supports Hamas is not pro palestinian by the way. Look at how Hamas treat Garzans.

I am, generally speaking, pro Israel and pro Jewish though. Don't know if anyone has noticed that.

I don't know those quotes. I cant comment on what a couple of people may have said. If they were about hamas then we can all agree.

The death figures coming from gaza are from hamas who lie, so we really don't know how many have died.

Many of them would have been Hamas fighters, so far from innocents.

I blame Hamas for all civilian deaths in Garza because they started this war and use them as human shields.

Perfectly worded. Hopefully @eardefender will finally understand. If you are saying Israel has the right to defend itself by massacring thousands of civilians, then you have no right to say Hamas can’t do the same after 75 years of occupation and oppression. What happened on the 7th of October was terrible, but it’s happened many times to the Palestinian Arabs way before the 7th of October.
There needs to be a ceasefire and a solution needs to be found for both nations or this will continue until the Mujahideen groups in the Arab nations create a bigger problem than the 7th of October and it leads to world war 3. There are bigger problems than Hamas unfortunately and they, like any terrorist organisation don’t care about any civilians in any country.

@eardefender you surely can't have it both ways.

Either context matters or it doesn't. Either it matters for both of it doesn't.

If context is irrelevant:

-the Hamas terrorist attack was a vile and inexcusable act of violence which killed 1400.
-Israel has decided to slaughter 9000 people, about half of which are children, and has condemned many thousands more through starvation disease. An excusable act of violence.

If context is relevant, then and only then can you mention WHY Israel is doing what it's doing, and the fear that the country has, but equally relevant is the 70 years of oppression and violence against the Palestinian people, creating a boiling pot of anger.

Is context relevant or irrelevant? Don't you see that it makes you hugely racist to say context only matters one way.

Context is irrelevant to certain people because they view certain other people as sub human. That statement can be applied to both hamas and some sections of Israelis

Sick of hearing repeated "human shields" on this thread, as if that excuses indiscriminate massacre.

@eardefender an intruder breaks in to your house and picks up your baby daughter and points a gun at her head.

Armed police arrive and shoot them both.

Apparently you're ok with that. I mean what were they supposed to do.

I agree with you.
Gaza was not occupied, as soon as the wall was breached, terrorists immediately attacked and kidnapped Israeli civilians and filmed it for their pleasure.
They wont give the hostages back.
They have said they use human shields. Isreal must go in and destroy Hamas, they must rescue their hostages.
They are trying to avoid killing civilians by warning them
Did Hamas warn anyone? Remember, as you said, context is everything.
Israel try to go after military targets and try to minimise civilian casualties, Hamas go after civilians and try to maximise civilian casualties.
Hamas are in charge of the figures coming out of gaza so we need to be skeptical about them.
So thank you for clarifying the importance of context.

Israel are targeting Hamas, Hamas use human shields, they have been open about this.
Why would i be Ok with someone using my child as a human shield, this makes no sense.
Israel is not bombing indiscriminately. they have told Civilians to flee
I blame Hamas for the gazan civilian deaths.

I am sorry of the above facts don't fit with your love of hamas and hatred of the you know whos....

Do you genuinely believe very few civilians have died in Gaza @eardefender? do you think fewer civilians have died in Gaza than died in Israel on 7th October? What about civilian Palestinians prior to 7th October, how many deaths then, or can’t we believe the numbers because they are stated by Hamas?
Can we believe everything the Israeli government say, they never lie as they are so tolerant (your words)?

@eardefender where do you think civilians can flee to?

Go where? They’ve no where to go. Israel took their land.
And please stop saying “Jews” just like Hamas doesn’t speak for the entire Arab population. There are thousands of Jews in Israel protesting against the actions of the Israeli government and army. Thousands of Jews who don’t want the blood of innocent children on their hands. The IDF are torturing and beating them up too.

I can’t believe thinks there is a moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. Hamas deliberately target civilians. Israel target military targets, though of course they are not always successful in avoiding civilians. But there is a clear and very important difference in aims. The long history is not really relevant in deciding what is morally right. Even if Israel have opposed Palestinians for decades, NOTHING justifies deliberately targeting civilians. Once a person or group does this they have lost their humanity completely.

@eardefender can you explain why some Jews are protesting against the Israeli action in Gaza? I know what you think of non-Jews who are against it but what about Jews?