"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land!". A life in Gaza thread.

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"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land, and they still wouldn't accept a two state solution".

A poster said this on another thread and I literally can't get this out of my head. It's probably the best (and worst) case of gaslighting hasbara I have seen on any of the threads.

Just incase anyone has the notion that Gazans were reclining on their sunloungers, admiring the sea views from their luxury penthouse apartments, this is a thread to discuss life in Gaza pre 7/10.

Some facts:

Gaza fact sheet

I did see a video about this the other day. Makes you wonder about the true motives of the Israeli govt. It would be a familiar story, after all previous oil wars in the region (Iraq etc)

@starfleet Very interesting, and so disappointing that Palestinians have not been allowed to benefit from their natural resources in the Occupied Territories. I was aware of the gas reserves off Gaza, but not of the oil reserves.

Honest Reporting have been around for decades and are rock solid journalism. Hamas have achieved what they wanted, just as it looked like Israel was nearing peace deals with Saudi and other countries.

This is one of the hamas leaders' sons.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy_fgzXIuNW/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

And this guy explains.very clearly why this happened now.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy2xARqsCze/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Accounts from Palestinians currently living in Gaza

https://time.com/6326080/gaza-palestinians-grief-israel-hamas-war/

Nobody is saying Hamas is great!

In the early 2000s, Hamas certainly used to make rockets with water pipes and rocket candy (exact same fuel used on model rockets), but these rockets have a range of only 2.5km at most, and have been used to hit the town of Sederot which is only 850m from Gaza. There is no shortage of pipes because Israel tended to destroy the Gazan power/water/sewage infrastructure with every bombing campaign or incursion.

But by around 2009 their rockets were hitting Ashkeleon which is 8km away. No way it is possible to have a home made rocket using a water pipe and home made rocket candy have that kind of range. Nor can these rockets have any guidance system whatsoever- but Hamas’ rockets do now have guidance albeit not the sophisticated type Israel have.

This is why I think the “we make the rockets”- complete with pony show of a few guys digging in the sand is now a cover story for weapons smuggling from elsewhere to Hamas as they’ve spotted them using Russian made rockets (Russia sells weapons all over so not saying Russia is sending them rockets) .

”A senior Hamas official based in Lebanon gave details of the group’s weapons manufacturing in an edited interview with Russia Today’s Arabic-news channel RT Arabic published on their website on Sunday.
“We have local factories for everything, for rockets with ranges of 250 km, for 160 km, 80km, and 10 km. We have factories for mortars and their shells. … We have factories for Kalashnikovs (rifles) and their bullets. We’re manufacturing the bullets with permission from the Russians. We’re building it in Gaza,” Ali Baraka, head of Hamas National Relations Abroad, told the outlet.
But former US officials say there is little question the massive stockpile of weapons used in Saturday’s attack was acquired and assembled with help from Iran.
“Hamas didn’t build the guidance system and those missiles in Gaza,” said retired Gen. Frank McKenzie, the former commander of US Central Command. “They got them from somewhere. And the technology assistance to put it together certainly came from Iran – where else would it have come from?”

While most of it is no doubt skimming off illegal aid from wherever, there is also alot of exploitation of Gazans. Hamas not only “tax” residents, but they also run a black market in smuggled goods - something like 20% toll for every $2000 worth of stuff smuggled in- I need to find that article because it said this generated millions in income for Hamas leaders every year. Hamas also “tax” local businesses, which then drives up the prices of the goods sold by these businesses. That’s why Hamas hasn’t complained overly about Israel not allowing enough food and goods in- the black market smuggling is an income stream to them.

I have put “tax” in quotation marks because it’s really a protection racket rather than a legal taxation system.

This is supposed to be a thread about the people of Gaza. I'm not sure why you are sharing videos of the son of Hamas denouncing them, when no one here has said they support Hamas? It just seems like a very disrespectful way to derail the thread.

Derailing? I read the whole thread and it seems to be a discussion of the conditions that people in Gaza live in, and why, and who is responsible.

Instagram I take with a bit of salt as it’s prone to people claiming to be what they are not. But he, whoever he is, makes valid points. When every world government is corrupt it’s not a shocker to say that a terrorist organisation is going to be high on the scale of corruption. It comes with the territory. And I have read in many sources that the average Palestinian has had more than enough of the fuckery by Hamas (as well as by Israel). They are trapped in a hell not of their own making.

Stupid enormous link

Confirming that the IDF did use fighter jets on a refugee camp.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67258466?nsmchannel=social&nsssource=twitter&nscampaign=bbcclive&nslinkname=65414850fd63b979e1ad01a6%26IDF%20confirms%20Jabalia%20strike%262023-10-31T18%3A32%3A49.365Z&nssfee=0&pinnedposttlocator=urn:asset:8b803636-984c-4337-9495-c1799e70b507&pinnedposttassetid=65414850fd63b979e1ad01a6&pinneddpost_type=share

An hour ago they hit another refugee camp as well.

“At least 10 dead’ in Israeli attack on Gaza’s al-Shati campAnother target of Israeli bombing today has been al-Shati refugee camp along the coast of Gaza City.
At least 10 people were killed in the attack, which hit a house in the camp, local sources told the Palestinian news agency WAFA.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/31/israel-hamas-war-live-israeli-air-attacks-continue-across-gaza

And another 3hrs ago
”Israeli bombing kills at least 15 in Nuseirat camp: WAFAAn Israeli air assault has killed at least 15 Palestinians in central Gaza in the Nuseirat refugee camp, after two residential buildings were hit, according to the Palestinian news agency WAFA.
The bombing targeted 20th Street in Nuseirat, leaving dozens of others injured.
WAFA reported that there are believed to be more dead bodies under the rubble of the collapsed buildings.”

One refugee camp per hour…..

I feel so helpless.

One refugee camp per hour…..

Fuck.

And the world watches and does nothing?

From the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67276822.amp

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/dozens-killed-after-israeli-airstrikes-on-gaza-refugee-camp

For anyone that wants to talk about this and not to detail this thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/4932558-why-is-israeli-bombing-refugee-camps-in-gaza?page=8&reply=130375142

On a slightly more light hearted note, who knew Banksy went to Gaza?

https://the8percent.com/artwork-of-the-week-banksy-in-gaza/

Yep. I love his art and activism.

Settlement construction began in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. A two-tier system was created with Jewish settlers afforded all the rights and privileges of being Israeli citizens whereas Palestinians had to live under a military occupation that discriminated against them and barred any form of political or civic expression.

Source: AlJazeera

I don't know on which post people keep repeating that Jewish people "bought" land legally to make their "homes"
But this video, in Israelis own words....

https://twitter.com/Trickyjabs/status/1718887609211011208

Oh yes! Banksy started the Walled-Off Hotel there, didn't he? (Or She/they? Who knows!)

Sorry, the Walled-Off Hotel is in the West Bank. Banksy bought it and it only employs Palestinian people. That's important, because most tourism is run by Israeli companies.