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6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official

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Ohlalalalala · 25/10/2023 19:16

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2] Wikipedia

Reservist Major General Giora Eiland told Israeli media on Monday that Israel’s actions in “creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/25/gaza-is-out-of-fuel-out-of-time-under-israels-bombardment

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

Oxfam says starvation is being used as a weapon of war against civilians in Gaza, adding just two percent of usual food has been delivered to the enclave since Israel’s “total siege”.

Gaza death toll rises to 6,500, including Al Jazeera correspondent’s family

Al Jazeera Arabic’s Wael Dahdouh’s wife, son and daughter among family members killed after home hit.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-war-live-fuel-shortfall-could-force-un-to-halt-work-in-gaza-2

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Silence1 · 26/10/2023 14:22

@ketchup07070 You got there before me but still they deny it!

ketchup07070 · 26/10/2023 14:29

@Silence1 Talk about gaslighting!

Silence1 · 26/10/2023 14:31

And the quotes when taken in context of the whole original article are actually worse than out of context

flufferknutter · 26/10/2023 14:34

I've screenshoted this. Is this what you mean?

6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official
PurpleChrayne · 26/10/2023 14:40

Why is everyone so obsessed with this, when other conflicts get barely any attention?

Silence1 · 26/10/2023 14:42

So he was quoted saying "creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

And he said "Israel needs to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf." Four points listed and then "As a result, Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist, and I say this as a means rather than an end. I say this because there is no other option for ensuring the security of the State of Israel."

But just read the article because it will confirm everything you thought the Israeli Govt was doing but hoped they weren't

ketchup07070 · 26/10/2023 14:47

@flufferknutter
'Israel issued a stern warning to Egypt and made it clear that it would not permit humanitarian aid from Egypt to enter Gaza. Israel needs to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf.'

'As a result, Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist, '

I would isolate these two quotes, which argue for the need for Israel to create a humanitarian crisis, and that the result will be that Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist. The quotes from NY times appear to paraphrase, but I think the essential meaning and argument has not been lost. A

ketchup07070 · 26/10/2023 14:49

I would add that this is one person's opinion on what should be done, and we do not know how widely his opinion is shared.

Silence1 · 26/10/2023 14:57

This was written by the same man in 2014 . The strategy he has written about is echoed on here and elsewhere today. In Gaza, there is no such thing as 'innocent civilians' (ynetnews.com)
"We are dealing with an enemy state, not with a terror organization which is seemingly operating from within an innocent civilian population."

In Gaza, there is no such thing as 'innocent civilians'

Op-ed: Fighting an enemy state with one hand while supplying food and energy to its residents with the other hand is absurd.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4554583,00.html

Redlarge · 26/10/2023 14:58

NotSuchASmugMarried · 25/10/2023 20:16

The best we can hope for now is a swift victory for israel thereby ending the war quicker and limiting the amount of fatalities.

Wtf

Usou · 26/10/2023 15:02

PurpleChrayne · 26/10/2023 14:40

Why is everyone so obsessed with this, when other conflicts get barely any attention?

Well said. 100,000 Armenians ethnically cleansed, and it got a couple of days in the news.

While I can sympathise with the Gazans to a degree, people overlook/ignore the fact that historically, it is the Arabs that have done most of the ethnic/religious cleansing. Whatever happened to the Copts and other Christian denominations, the Yazidis, the Druze and the Zoroastrians - not to mention the Jews of Baghdad and Tehran - all far more numerous in the past? You think they all just decided to move elsewhere? They were killed, converted and generally oppressed out of existence - before the advent of social media unfortunately for them.

So I'm with the Israelis. It's hard and nasty, but what are they supposed to do? "Negotiate" with people that want them dead? Israel is a mere 8,000 square miles compared to the 2 million occupied by Arabs, Turks and Persians - and we're supposed to believe they are the victims?

Desertrose2023 · 26/10/2023 15:08

Usou · 26/10/2023 15:02

Well said. 100,000 Armenians ethnically cleansed, and it got a couple of days in the news.

While I can sympathise with the Gazans to a degree, people overlook/ignore the fact that historically, it is the Arabs that have done most of the ethnic/religious cleansing. Whatever happened to the Copts and other Christian denominations, the Yazidis, the Druze and the Zoroastrians - not to mention the Jews of Baghdad and Tehran - all far more numerous in the past? You think they all just decided to move elsewhere? They were killed, converted and generally oppressed out of existence - before the advent of social media unfortunately for them.

So I'm with the Israelis. It's hard and nasty, but what are they supposed to do? "Negotiate" with people that want them dead? Israel is a mere 8,000 square miles compared to the 2 million occupied by Arabs, Turks and Persians - and we're supposed to believe they are the victims?

Yes, you’re supposed to believe people who are being intentionally starved, dehydrated and blown to death as we speak are the victims. You’re supposed to believe premature babies whose incubators are shutting off because fuel for hospitals is being intentionally withheld are the victims. You’re supposed to believe people who were ethnically cleansed 75 years ago and have been living under occupation and misery every since are the victims.

is that clear enough for you or do you need a full on tutorial on basic compassion and what it means to be human ?

Desertrose2023 · 26/10/2023 15:12

And your logic of well Arabs have done bad stuff in the past so why should I have sympathy with these people now is appalling.

does that mean I should never have sympathy for any American who is ever unjustly killed because of that country’s history in the slave trade ? Does it mean the lives of British civilians should now have no value because their government invaded Iraq and caused the deaths of a million Iraqis ?

all nations and races have done bad stuff in the past, your argument of trying to justify what’s happening based on prior events which were not perpetuated by the people currently being starved to death is extremely concerning.

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 15:18

PurpleChrayne · 26/10/2023 14:40

Why is everyone so obsessed with this, when other conflicts get barely any attention?

As others don’t get any attention then we shouldn’t pay attention to this one?
how many conflicts do you know where an external country goes and kills thousands of people in 2 weeks ? cuz I don’t know many and if there is any then there is attention

don’t think not paying attention And reporting to genocides is the right attitude

SomeCatFromJapan · 26/10/2023 15:20

Wtf

Would you rather Hamas won?

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 15:22

Usou · 26/10/2023 15:02

Well said. 100,000 Armenians ethnically cleansed, and it got a couple of days in the news.

While I can sympathise with the Gazans to a degree, people overlook/ignore the fact that historically, it is the Arabs that have done most of the ethnic/religious cleansing. Whatever happened to the Copts and other Christian denominations, the Yazidis, the Druze and the Zoroastrians - not to mention the Jews of Baghdad and Tehran - all far more numerous in the past? You think they all just decided to move elsewhere? They were killed, converted and generally oppressed out of existence - before the advent of social media unfortunately for them.

So I'm with the Israelis. It's hard and nasty, but what are they supposed to do? "Negotiate" with people that want them dead? Israel is a mere 8,000 square miles compared to the 2 million occupied by Arabs, Turks and Persians - and we're supposed to believe they are the victims?

Sorry but , What a stupid argument. As my ancestors killed thousands in the past then if someone kills me then nobody should have empathy ? ..

are you telling me we shouldn’t pay attention when a British person is killed as a result of a terrorist attacked as British people have killed so many around the world ? Only a narrow minded person wouldn’t care about innocent babies dying.

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 15:24

SomeCatFromJapan · 26/10/2023 15:20

Wtf

Would you rather Hamas won?

And the way of making Hamas lose is by killing babies ?

NotSuchASmugMarried · 26/10/2023 15:27

Redlarge · 26/10/2023 14:58

Wtf

Yeah wtf.

Israel won't stop until it achieves it's military objective. The quicker they get there the better for everyone. And that's as good as it's gonna get.

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 15:36

NotSuchASmugMarried · 26/10/2023 15:27

Yeah wtf.

Israel won't stop until it achieves it's military objective. The quicker they get there the better for everyone. And that's as good as it's gonna get.

Do you say the same about Russia - Ukraine ? Or any other war in the world ?

NotSuchASmugMarried · 26/10/2023 15:43

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 15:36

Do you say the same about Russia - Ukraine ? Or any other war in the world ?

No

Redlarge · 26/10/2023 18:32

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 15:22

Sorry but , What a stupid argument. As my ancestors killed thousands in the past then if someone kills me then nobody should have empathy ? ..

are you telling me we shouldn’t pay attention when a British person is killed as a result of a terrorist attacked as British people have killed so many around the world ? Only a narrow minded person wouldn’t care about innocent babies dying.

Its not just babies dying though is it. Its whole families, generations, neighbourhoods. Only a narrow minded person would focus on 'babies'. No one wants an innocent baby dead, ever. But this is far far reaching and catastrophic for a lot more people than babies.

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 18:42

Redlarge · 26/10/2023 18:32

Its not just babies dying though is it. Its whole families, generations, neighbourhoods. Only a narrow minded person would focus on 'babies'. No one wants an innocent baby dead, ever. But this is far far reaching and catastrophic for a lot more people than babies.

I know , some people don’t care babies / kids / women / doctors. / journalists / whole families are dying because according to them they deserve it for supporting Hamas and because previous generations killed by Arabs

EasterIssland · 26/10/2023 18:45

Horrifying

6500 Dead: "Creating a severe humanitarian crisis is a necessary means to achieve the goal. Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist" Israeli Military Official
ChickHenLittle · 26/10/2023 18:50

Ooooh I get it, it isn't the Israeli government to blame at all, it's Arabs. In general. Let me offer my most sincere apologies, I hadn't realised. 🙄

Some posters really will look for any excuse at all to absolve the IDF of any blame for all of these civilian deaths.

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