Justifying the rape of women

[armchairactivist1]

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
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Limesodaagain · Today 18:08
However Hamas bears an enormous responsibility for the current crisis in Gaza as they MUST have been fully aware that the consequence for their barbarity would be borne by innocent Gazan civilians

Yes, I agree, and I remember seeing that one of their own speakers referred to their martyrs as their weapon.

But Hamas will never have the advantage of the enormous killing capacity from weaponry, or the protection of the iron dome, which Israel has thanks to the USA.

Israel does not have to take the bait to the extent they are. They are acting mad and vengeful but not getting that far in eradicating Hamas. They may well as a result be causing the likelihood of more Hamas or equivalent in the future.

Both Israelis and Palestinians are victims of Hamas ( and both are victims of the extremism of Netanyahu’s government)

This seems a fair assessment in one way, but there has been a great power imbalance going back for a very long time with Palestinians being oppressed and harmed by Israel, and this is now being multiplied many times over.

As for Palestinians wanting to eradicate all Israelis, there are Israelis who want to do the same to Palestinians.

In my book. an atrocity is an atrocity. To think otherwise is to reduce people to a statistic.
Shall we look at the number of dead in Gaza, compared to the number of dead on 07/10? Would you think this is acceptable? I don't.

Is there a plan with how to deal with Hamas if there is a ceasefire?

I understand many might like another organisation in power but how is that achieved?

If Hamas continue and attack again can Israel put up enough defences to stop it? The retaliation from another attack could be even harsher and more volatile on a global level

@EasternStandard this has always been my worry if Hamas remain in power in Gaza.

That's what I find distressing on these threads. People repeatedly come on and announce that what's happening in Gaza is far worse than anything that happened on 7 October, citing numbers killed as proof. As though the tragic horrors on either side can be measured in those terms.

Indeed. I feel the same. Israeli and Palestinian lives have the same value to me. For some, there is a scale. I will never understand why.

They cite the numbers killed as proof the Israeli response has been disproportionate.

As has been explained to you before this is not about a comparison of like for like numbers, it is about achieving the aims of the war while causing the least amount of harm possible.

Every additional person that has their life taken or changed beyond repair in this war is a tragedy, and that so many people have been unnecessarily killed is horrific.

The higher the number of unnecessary casualties and the higher the level of unnecessary destruction/withholding of aid etc, the more disproportionate the response is.

*Every additional person - meant to add this is why it’s so distressing that the numbers keep on going up and up.

I find the timing of this post incredibly disrespectful.

I hope this gets attention too. As it should do.

Where have I read this before? Which post are you talking about btw?

Which post were you meaning and why was the timing wrong, please?

The hypocrisy!

Please explain your post.

www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/zfhC4zHTf0

I believe this is from yesterday. The different comments the countries did and Patterns speech

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147477

As has been explained to you before

I am sorry to be thick, apparently, but you use the term "disproportionate" twice here, and "unnecessary" three times.

Of course, completely understandably, there is an urgent desire to stop further harm in Gaza. But what about an equally urgent desire to prevent further harm in Israel? Isn't that valid?

Because Hamas murdered them.
I think we have mentioned that.

@EasterIssland came from this

twitter.com/AdamAlbilya/status/1767291406937145840

Yes I wasn’t asking where the source was coming from from your post but I wanted to read more about her speech and found the UN report about the conference yesterday where they discussed it, hence why my link

Latest news from BICOM -

Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs Katz addressed the UN Security Council’s emergency session to discuss the report on Hamas’ sexual crimes during the October 7th massacre yesterday. “I am here on behalf of the women and girls who were raped, murdered and mutilated by Hamas murderers,” said Katz.
Katz also demanded that the UN recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation and exert all possible pressure to return the remaining hostages.

"The United Nations has been silent regarding on the actions of Hamas for too long," Katz said. "Over the past five months, since October 7, the United Nations has convened 41 times and has neither condemned nor denounced the brutal crimes of Hamas."

The UN report, authored by Pramila Patten, found “reasonable grounds” to conclude that Hamas committed rape and gang rape at multiple sites during the massacre, as well as “clear and convincing information” that hostages in Gaza were subject to “sexual violence including rape, sexualised torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.”

@EasterIssland no probs I just meant I found an extended one. Was getting at you.

@inkworks273

This was under that statement.....

Norman Finkelstein, the David Icke of political history 🤷🏾‍♀️

@stomachamelon What she's saying is hearsay though. No actual evidence in the report.

The report says that not a single victim of sexual assault has been positively identified either living or dead.

I agree that we should believe all women but not a single woman has been identified so far.