Justifying the rape of women

[armchairactivist1]

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
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UN finds evidence of systematic Israeli sexual violence against Gazan women, children & men

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session56/a-hrc-56-crp-4.pdf

I doubt the deniers will care.

Thank you for this report from Human Rights Council.

^Detailed findings on the military operations and attacks
carried out in the Occupied Palestinian Territory from 7 October to 31 December 2023^

^Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the
Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel^

It provides an invaluable, detailed record of the wrong in the war up until December. It is long, with a lot to take in and I have only skimmed through, but will keep it to read more later and as reference.

Thanks again.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/nyc-protesters-wave-terror-group-flags-call-for-intifada-outside-nova-massacre-exhibit/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/white-house-slams-heartbreaking-anti-israel-protest-of-nova-massacre-exhibit-in-nyc/

The "long live October 7th" crowd seem like the kind of people who would be not only justifying but also celebrating the rape of women. Imagine protesting outside an exhibit of the Nova massacre, saying Zionists aren't human and that all resistance is justified. I guess that grotesque dehumanisation of Israelis is why October 7th was so widely celebrated, and is clearly still being celebrated today.

Many who might not be actively celebrating are still out there, and on MN, desperately trying to minimise the events and instead only talk about Palestinians. Because I guess they're the only victims who matter? It's weird to me how people are so incredibly uncomfortable talking about Israeli victims and constantly feel the need to change the subject. I would ask why that is but not sure it's needed. Maybe if you feel like I'm talking about you, you should take a deep, hard look at yourself and ask yourself why you don't care about Israeli victims? If there's any other sexual abuse you'd be happy to minimise or go out of your way to ignore and ensure no one gets a chance to talk about? What other people do you think aren't worthy of your sympathy after a massacre, mass-kidnapping and rape?

Of course, if you don't feel like I'm talking about you then there's really no need for you to take any action. Well done on not being someone who excuses, justifies or denies the rape of Israelis.

https://www.novaexhibition.com/

Here's a link to the exhibition's website. It's well worth a look, and there's a donation section where people can contribute to a fund for the recovery of survivors.

People who survived October 7th will be processing horrendous trauma, in addition to physical injuries, some of which will be life-changing. Many people felt and still feel helpless in the face of the horrors of October 7th and its aftermath, but helping survivors is something we can all do. And it's something really important for us all to do.

The articles posted above by @Humdingerydoo show some absolutely despicable behaviour, glorifying murder, violence and hate. I'm disappointed that the police don't seem to have taken more action against what looks to me to be pretty overtly criminal activity there (the banners, to start with - awful). Those people should be ashamed of themselves. They won't be, but they should be.

Well said.

Have you read that article regarding the reports carried out?

It is not saying no rapes happened.

It does say that some misinformation regarding rape spread very quickly and that the way it was used by some for propaganda has little to do with caring about the victims themselves. That it is not a case about ‘believe women’, it is about believe Israel.

It does say how very difficult it has been to get evidence, and why.

It also points out that the Israeli government refused a comprehensive, legal investigation ( also letting down the victims). Furthermore, it adds that legal investigations into credible allegations of the rape of Palestinians are called for too.

It is at pains to point out the danger/ likelihood of sexual assault and rape the female hostages are living under.

I am recounting this from memory, and suggest it would be best to read it if you haven’t. You can find it in archive ph. There are other investigative articles by AP and Haaretz ( I posted before).

Thank you for drawing attention to these despicable slogans and the whole protest against the Nova Music Festival exhibition. How monstrous and utterly misplaced to glorify what happened to the Festival goers ( and of course all the other people killed, tortured, raped or captured Oct 7).

It does no favours to the Palestinian cause. This attack was nothing but disgrace and shame to Palestinians. That attack on the Nova Music Festival was not even planned. Just out of control slaughterers running amok.

I should think many of the people they killed were even pro peace.

Thank you for this link, you are right. Anyone who can should offer support. Imagine what it was like for people on Oct 7, on which day people would have woken in peace, only for that to be shattered and turned into a nightmare that cannot end, that was really happening. It will never end for those who lived through it or whose loved ones did.

I’ve just read that Times of Israel article @Humdingerydoo and I am absolutely appalled. No wonder Jewish people don’t feel safe. I wouldn’t have much to say about someone calling these people useful idiots (as much as I dislike it!!) or saying that might be the kindest interpretation. What is the point of this? To intimidate Jewish people? Is it meant to help Palestine by given people more reasons to claim everyone who doesn’t support Israel’s actions are all secret Jew hating maniacs.

Useful idiots is very much the kindest interpretation. Other explanations are available.

On the issue of the protest outside the Nova exhibition, I thought it was interesting that AOC slagged off the protesters. She has pretty good political judgement, so I generally interpret her decisions in that context. May say something about which way the wind is blowing.