If you are pro Israel when is enough killing enough?

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Plenty of people have repeated “1400 Israeli’s were killed on 7/10”, but when is actually enough? The count is above 5000 in Gaza alone. Seriously when is enough enough?

I guess "nasty playground bully" makes a change from accusing anyone who criticises the Israeli government of antisemitism.

Any comment on Palestinians right of return?

Would you agree that if they are pushed into the Sinai Peninsula and not allowed back into Gaza then that would be ethnic cleansing?

No I haven't. And don't plan to. I've read written media reports which said what she told the responders.

if there's something specific I've said, then do tell me - since you have presumably listened to a translation of it.

Ahh, so even though it is likely not to be the full transcript of what Hind said, you are still attempting to cast doubt on whether the facts surrounding it are actual facts or not.

I suppose as you didn't hear the actual desperation and fear in her voice it would be easy to think along those lines... for some anyway, I guess.

I guess the difference is in one case there is evidence of something, and the other case is just a whole lot of assumptions based on seemingly no facts.

Hinds case is documented , and that phone call was Broadcasted on all media outlets hoping intentional efforts can help the PRC locate them.
I understand the Levantine Arabic Dialect , the girl sounded so scared she didn’t want to close the phone.
The IOF gave them clearance to approach but did they actually inform the soldiers on the ground ?

You seem to think that a child being terrified means that it's a fact that Israel are responsible? Please clarify if you are able to provide any actual facts for consideration. I'm willing to believe that Israel is responsible, I just haven't seen any facts to prove it

I don't think it's clear what happened, no. It doesn't ring true for the IDF to eventually clear the rescue and then sadistically kill everyone just as it's taking place.

What I've seen from the reporting on the phone call is that gunfire burst out, and then she was cut off. That doesn't tell us what happened.

I absolutely don't doubt little Hind's fear and desperation, or that she and all her family were killed. We can all see our own children in her, and feel the horror and grief of her mother.

I’d agree with you about not making sense for the idf to target the ambulances … if it wasn’t the first ambulance and doctor that idf had killed.

Exactly... it isn't like them to deliberately target ambulances, medical staff and also children

What a surprise...

Of course Israeli forces don't have a habit of deliberately targeting ambulances. Medical staff. Children. Women. Men. No, not at all.

Zero point in me continuing as we all know what it circles round to still.. despite all the evidence

I said that it doesn't make sense for the IDF to have cleared the rescue and then to deliberately kill the child and rescuers whilst the planned rescue was happening.

I haven't seen that happen previously, as an IDF practice. If you have examples, please share them. (not examples of attacks on ambulances which have been known to carry terrorists and weapons: examples of deliberately attacking an agreed rescue)

We have seen miscommunications on the battlefield, in many war zones.

We have seen Hamas pass off their own destruction as being committed by the IDF.

Like @Humdingerydoo , I'm willing to believe that the IDF are responsible if there's evidence. But I haven't seen anything which makes that clear.

We have also seen that gun battles between Hamas combatants and IDF soldiers flare up unexpectedly and dramatically, and civilians are killed in the crossfire. Crossfire from both sides.

Are you trying to claim that the deliberate attacks on ambulances are due to carrying "terrorists and weapons"

Asking due to your wording of that.

If you are, then you are condoning the deliberate targeting of medical staff and vehicles with the pre-wrapped excuse with a bow on top.

Not at all. I'm saying that some ambulances have carried terrorists and weapons.

I condemn both the use of ambulances in this way and also attacks on ambulances and medical staff.

I was specific because @EasterIssland twisted what I said didn't make sense: the IDF attacking an agreed rescue.

@statsfun 20% of IDF soldiers deaths in Gaza have been due to 'friendly fire' by their own admission

Three aid convoys in N Gaza attacked by IDF in spite of being given clearance by them - 2 last week on consecutive days and the other last month - widely reported incl in Guardian

Two elderly women killed by IDF sniper over Xmas at a church after being told it was a safe time to use the toilets, Layla Moran MP relatives involved

Just off the top of my head - there are many other examples

You are aware that is the excuse made repeatedly by Netanyahu for the deliberate destruction of medical vehicles and killing of medical staff? He isn't exactly known for his truthfulness with his whole genocide on his hands

Me: I don't think it's clear what happened, no. It doesn't ring true for the IDF to eventually clear the rescue and then sadistically kill everyone just as it's taking place.

@EasterIssland : I’d agree with you about not making sense for the idf to target the ambulances … if it wasn’t the first ambulance and doctor that idf had killed.

@EasterIssland didn't twist your post, though.

The Israeli forces seem to take great pleasure in targering civilians and medical staff.

I said "It doesn't ring true for the IDF to eventually clear the rescue and then sadistically kill everyone just as it's taking place."

@EasterIssland said "I’d agree with you about not making sense for the idf to target the ambulances"

Saying she's agreeing with me then changing what I said. That's twisting my words.

The aid convoys are a reasonable example.

@statsfun do you not find it slightly odd that it's been 12 days or is it 13 days now and there has been more or less radio silence on the issue from the IDF. Despite this incident being reported all over MSM. Not even a statement to say that they are aware and looking into it.

Unlike previous allegations when they have either immediately denied it or then put out a statement to say they will look into it.

@EasterIssland
Glad to read you saying that you’d prefer to read the other side of the story. Last night about another event you didn’t want to wait and already jumped into conclusions and weren’t happy with those of us that wanted more information. (And independent investigation)

The hypocrisy on here is shining through on here I agree.