If you are pro Israel when is enough killing enough?

[TakeMe2Insanity]

Plenty of people have repeated “1400 Israeli’s were killed on 7/10”, but when is actually enough? The count is above 5000 in Gaza alone. Seriously when is enough enough?

So all the babies in incubators and sick people who need machines to stay alive will die.

So tragic. And utterly unnecessary by Israel. Shameful.

@EasterIssland Israel withdrew from Gaza many years ago. Gaza has a government thats objective is to destroy Israel. Bombs are sent into Israel every day from terorrists in Gaza. Please explain to me how Israel has been attacking Gaza up until the atrocity of 7 October?

When the Uk was under threat of invasion the West dropped a nuclear bomb in Japan and bombed Dresden and much else. So as to what is enough killing it is hard to know where to draw the line. I hope most of us in the West would be prepared to die for our democratic freedoms in the face of those who would like a religious state imposed on us along the lines of ISIS, Iran or Saudi.

I struggle to comprehend the logic of accepting that NICU babies will die, almost with a shrug of the shoulders.

I heard an interesting extract of interview with Hanan Ashranawi (from plo/ yasser arafad times) talking about the position of hamas with Palestinian and society. She essentially said to just view them as men with arms/tunnels was simplistic and it was so much more. Maybe that’s what people on the outside are failing to understand?

I also fail to understand how people are just looking at 7/10 as the start point to this. Just this year alone Palestinians have had to destroy their homes, or had settlers walk into their homes and throw their belongings out In Jerusalem despite living there for decades. That’s not even going into the first nakba.

I’m assuming it’s until they feel safe, which is very sad because I don’t think they’re ever going to feel safe now and Jewish people all around the world are going to continue to be targeted because of Israel’s actions.

Perhaps until they know they have got rid of the final Hamas leaders?

Everyone talks about Jewish safety post this attack but in reality there have been more anti islamic attacks. For gods sake a 6 year old Palestinian american was stabbed to death yet again the fear of the jewish people is worth more.

I think the evidence shows an increase in reports of Islamophobic hate crimes and anti-Semitic hate crimes but the latter has shown a far steeper increase.

i so not support Israel’s current actions but I don’t doubt that that anti-semitism is increasing rapidly and many Jewish people are understandably frightened

Re Hiroshima - it didn’t make the situation right. If anything everything post then has been about how awful the suffering was for the people obviously involved in receiving the bomb, the people dropping the bomb, the people watching the bomb. There was no good out of it.

I don’t think that’s quite true…

Jewish people are a minority in every country in the world, except for Israel. And even in the UK you can’t argue against the fact the Jewish population are very vulnerable.
Anyway why is it a competition?

Another one ... this one being "probably as uncontroversial as you will ever get" from a non-US, non-European point of view":

Here you have Queen Rania of Jordan - otherwise better known as "oh, but: how pretty was THAT dress of hers?! - using the word "Apartheid" among other things in an interview with Christiane Amanpour: https://x.com/amanpour/status/1716876182564614390?s=20

Now, unless you are going to claim that the wife of our major ME ally, King Abdullah of Jordan, is a genocidal maniac ... you might want to at the very least listen to this "Arab voice of it can literally not get more establishment than this" [see my last link for why she would be saying this - naturally, with the approval of her husband; she is not actively suicidal!]

Can you cut and paste the quotes? I chose to leave twitter/whatever its called now I’d prefer not to go back. Plus easier to read here.

Try the direct video link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1716876182564614390

(no idea whether this works without an account)!

Cutting and pasting is a bit of an issue, it is a video. Happy to try and run it through one of these AI transcribers (but I have never used one, so: may fail!)

Well it'll go on with no ending of civlian deaths and injuries until

One side surrenders and gives up their hostages and arms
Or
All of one of the combatants is dead

Just as in every conflict ever.

Can I point out that there is no fuel to be an hospitals but there is fuel for Hamas rockets

There will never be enough when religion is involved. Never in history has enough been enough

The focus needs to be on evacuating innocent Palestinians trapped in the middle.
Noone can expect Israel to just stand back and wait for the next attack after one of that scale. Can you imagine the UK or US sitting back and waiting for the next one if the same had happened here?

It's as much a show of force to be a deterrent in the future as it is about the current situation.

That twitter thread I posted a few mins ago helps me to cope with threads like this where people are casually accepting the murder of thousands of civilians.

It says that Zionists are genuinely unable to have empathy for Palestinians and have always been told that Jewish people are constantly under threat and in danger so their safety is more important than Palestinian lives basically. I try to remember this on these threads because before I thought the threads were full of psychopaths. Now I know it's that people are fed this ideology from birth and vehemently believe all this.

I can’t believe you actually typed this out and hit the post button.

As far as I can see, the only person saying that Jewish people fearing for their safety is worth more than the life of a 6 year old child is you.

Why would you say that? How utterly disgusting.

Why are you asking only the pro Israel supporters. Do pro Palestinians opinions not matter.

Last I checked 2 sides were fighting.

The French government threatened to cut off Jersey's power supply over a mere fishing dispute in 2021;

Jersey, the largest of the Channel Islands, receives 95% of its electricity through three underwater cables from France.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56984886

Were they bombing the place to bits having closed the borders at the time?

Because you have an Israeli politician saying that Israeli lives matter more than Palestinians lives.

Because despite the fact 5000 people have died in Gaza there is no politician calling for a ceasefire. If anything they are ignoring calls for a ceasefire.

Because there is a significant uptick in anti islamic hate crimes.

Because a 6 year old Palestinian American was stabbed to death in the US.

It's a stupid fucking question. One death on either side is too many. No one with any sense of compassion wants people to die. I don't even wish death upon the members of Hamas despite the fact they would very much wish death upon me.

There is no too many. Any is too many.

I support Israels right to exist. To self govern. To remain as the only Jewish state on earth. I support the right of Israelis to feel safe. To not have to live under the "iron dome". To not have rockets fired at them constantly by Hamas or Hezbollah. To not be kidnapped or held hostage.

If you have a good way for this to be achieved without people dying then I am sure the world would be pleased to hear it.

And it was wrong of the French government to do so.

Toothyfruity
Were they bombing the place to bits having closed the borders at the time?

Did several thousand terrorists from Jersey murder, torture or kidnap anyone from France at the time? Or launch thousands of rockets towards France?