If you are pro Israel when is enough killing enough?

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Plenty of people have repeated “1400 Israeli’s were killed on 7/10”, but when is actually enough? The count is above 5000 in Gaza alone. Seriously when is enough enough?

So soldiers in a tank fired bullets at a car they were right next to? And this was done completely unprovoked and without anyone firing at them? That's what people with brains think?

Oh of course. I forgot that the IDF would never kill innocent civilians.

Are you aware of the incident that was reported on C4 of the soldier shooting a unarmed civilian who was walking with a white flag?
The same footage the IDF initially claimed was doctored footage and then after it was reported widely on MSM finally said that maybe they made a mistake
They denied it despite it being caught on camera

I was writing a similar comment about some hostages killed when they had a white flag on them

This one sorry on ITV

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-24/pm-questioned-over-itv-news-footage-of-man-with-white-flag-shot-dead-in-gaza

Just remind me where I, or someone else on this thread, said that?

You and others seem to be really struggling to accept that Israeli forces killed that family and those who tried to rescue the child.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm not going to defend it, I only know what I read on here, really. I don't just blindly defend everything Israel says or does.

I'm just saying that we don't know what happened to Hind. I mean, we know she was killed but we don't know any more details than that. I don't believe everything Israel says or does, but I'm also not going to assume the worst about them every single time. We saw how that turned out with the 500 dead in the hospital parking lot.

Israel is fighting terrorists. I'm not sure why people can't see the possibility that maybe those terrorists were somehow involved in this utterly devastating incident. I'm not saying that's definitely what happened, because I have no idea, I'm just not sure why everyone is completely dismissing the idea.

Provide me with any kind of evidence and I'll believe it. So far I've only seen a lot of baseless accusations followed by ridicule of those who don't blindly trust the baseless accusations. The accusations started several days ago, when people thought she was missing rather than dead.

Just read any mainstream media account of it. Everyone's pretty clear on what happened except for you and a few other posters here.

I'm not sure how much evidence you can expect in a warzone where Israel has killed most of those documenting the carnage and has banned international media from entering but given the phone calls and the evidence at the scene it's pretty clear what happened.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68261286.amp

I've included the first one I found when I googled it for you 👍

@Humdingerydoo so I see what you mean but at the same time the IDF denied any wrong doing of killing a civilian waving a white flag and went as far as saying the footage was doctored. This was despite it being recorded and clear as day at what was happening.

So you must see why many would be hesitant to believe everything they say. Now you might say that i have a unfair bias against the IDF but I have read most of the articles on MSM who have reported this story which includes sky news, BBC, CNN, NYT to name a few and none of them have actually questioned that it may not be the IDF. The IDF themselves haven't put out a statement to deny it wasn't them either. When pushed by different media outlets, all they have said is they will look into it.

Are you advocating for ethnic cleansing as an alternative to continued genocide?

How humanitarian of you. I wonder how you sleep at night.

Hamas will do anything to discredit Israel and get international sympathy.

Are you kidding? The Israeli government need no assistance from Hamas in discrediting themselves, their words and actions tell us everything we need to know; they are fascist, genocidal maniacs.

I can scarcely believe there are still people willing to defend the Israeli government and the IDF.

So you accept that there's not much evidence because it's a war zone, yet you consider this article proof that your version of events is correct? Because it agrees with you? Do you frequently only believe articles that align with your pre-conceived beliefs? Or do you occasionally learn something new from the news?

I'd rather wait to hear the other side of the story first as well, that's all.

But that will never happen because the other side is the IDF.

I think there is evidence, from people who were in the car, and others close to the situation who are quoted in articles about it but that's not enough for you so I guess you'll never know.

Maybe it was Hamas like some other posters said. Maybe Hind was in Hamas. I guess you'll never know.

Do you really know what 'ethnic cleansing is', because moving civilians out of harms way isn't it.

If you don't like it report it to the ICJ - and please keep us updated with the response, thanks. 🙂

Yes I know what ethnic cleansing is, I'm not sure you do.

Moving civilians out of harms way? Tell me about the Palestinians right of return.

Stop telling people to report their concerns to the ICJ, it makes you sound ridiculous. I'm quite sure South Africa is very busy keeping track of all the crimes the Israeli government and the IDF are committing.

A very balanced take from Humdingerydoo.

I too have a sense that this doesn't quite ring true - the same reaction I had to the hospital carpark bombing story in fact (which MSM initially likewise reported as fact).

And in stark contrast to other events like the assassination of the 3 terrorists in hospital, or the shooting of the hostages with white flags, which did ring true.

Hind's death was heartbreaking, whoever was responsible, whoever made any of the decisions that led to her death . That poor little girl must have been so scared.

Unlike the hospital, we'll probably never learn what really happened. Unlike bombs, gunshot isn't logged and tracked, and the damage can't so easily be analysed (at least in a war zone, with combatants from both sides in every direction). The ambulance was burnt out though - possibly bombed. I think that's the only thing that could be verified one way or another, which might shed more light. I hope the IDF do check their logs and make a statement: one way or another.

Have you actually heard the audio of her phone call asking for help?

Or is that going to be a claim of being false also?

Glad to read you saying that you’d prefer to read the other side of the story. Last night about another event you didn’t want to wait and already jumped into conclusions and weren’t happy with those of us that wanted more information. (And independent investigation)

I'm not claiming that it's false . It's awful.

I don't really understand why you're asking about the audio though.

Is your reasoning "It's horrific and upsetting therefore it must have been the IDF (but with a gun, not the tank)" ??

Well, considering you stated that, "I too have a sense that this doesn't quite ring true" and "Unlike the hospital, we will probably never learn what really happened." I think that asking if you have listened to the audio of Hind begging for help is quite a reasonable follow-up question.

I think you're asking: how can I possibly be questioning/ applying logic to such a horrific, heart-rending situation.

But I'm not really sure.

I have asked if you have listened to the call of Hind begging for someone to rescue her due to your choice of wording in the post I quoted you on. You were conveying doubt surrounding this event which is why I asked.