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Conflict in the Middle East

If you are pro Israel when is enough killing enough?

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TakeMe2Insanity · 24/10/2023 17:28

Plenty of people have repeated “1400 Israeli’s were killed on 7/10”, but when is actually enough? The count is above 5000 in Gaza alone. Seriously when is enough enough?

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fleurneige · 10/02/2024 21:04

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 21:01

@EasterIssland "What was the reason behind hind”s death? A targeted one and the paramedics that were sent to save her"

Maybe shot by Hamas as a 'false flag'?

Ever thought of that?

Hamas will do anything to discredit Israel and get international sympathy.

Israel has previously accused Hamas of using ambulances to transport its weapons and fighters.

WOW no words.

This is just getting SICK.

EasterIssland · 10/02/2024 21:04

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 21:01

@EasterIssland "What was the reason behind hind”s death? A targeted one and the paramedics that were sent to save her"

Maybe shot by Hamas as a 'false flag'?

Ever thought of that?

Hamas will do anything to discredit Israel and get international sympathy.

Israel has previously accused Hamas of using ambulances to transport its weapons and fighters.

True hadn’t thought of that. 30k targeted and killed by Hamas.
every single video we’ve seen of idf members destroying building and saying don’t let them come back it was in fact Hamas members dressed as idf.
those videos we’ve seen of idf torturing men and when they’ve posted it online it was in fact Hamas members!

Silly me.

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 21:05

fleurneige · 10/02/2024 21:00

Evacuate to where FFS!

Why are you asking me? I don't have a direct line to the Israeli War Cabinet.

Maybe do a deal with Egypt to open the Rafah Crossing?

EasterIssland · 10/02/2024 21:07

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 21:05

Why are you asking me? I don't have a direct line to the Israeli War Cabinet.

Maybe do a deal with Egypt to open the Rafah Crossing?

If only they were allowed to come back to their (destroyed) country once the war was over … shame Israel doesn’t respect the right to return to the country of Palestinians

i give you another idea. Let them move to Israel until the war is over. And once it’s over let them return to Palestine

queenofarles · 10/02/2024 21:08

I really can’t even begin to understand how some people are grasping at straws whilst doing Crazy Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and justify this dystopian scenario .

This is their land, not Netanyahu to do as he pleases with , why should they leave ?

IF after almost 5 months , there are No hostages , and Hamas still fighting on, then Israel is not really accomplishing anything.

fleurneige · 10/02/2024 21:11

So I was right- Israel told Palestinians to leave to go to the South and be safe. And now most of the country has been destroyed, they want to be able to also destroy the South. So Palestinians are given the choice- be bombed where you are, with nowhere else to go. Or leave and go to Egypt (and they are not wanted there) - and have no right to return. So settlers, who are awaiting on the border, can move in and take over Gaza and rebuild.

Just sick, just ethnic cleansing aka genocide, just illegal and akin to massive war and human crime. Netanyahu has been waiting for this excuse since 1978- almost half a century.

He will eventually pay for those crimes. Sadly the Israelis will too, and tragically, Jews all over the world.

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 21:21

@fleurneige "Sadly the Israelis will too, and tragically, Jews all over the world."

Why will Jews all over the world 'have to pay'? They are not responsible for Israel's actions

Scirocco · 10/02/2024 21:24

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 21:01

@EasterIssland "What was the reason behind hind”s death? A targeted one and the paramedics that were sent to save her"

Maybe shot by Hamas as a 'false flag'?

Ever thought of that?

Hamas will do anything to discredit Israel and get international sympathy.

Israel has previously accused Hamas of using ambulances to transport its weapons and fighters.

There's audio recording of Hind and her cousin Layan. It's pretty clear sounding from that, that it was IDF attacking, and that there was a considered element to what happened - this wasn't a case of a nervous soldier firing out of fear. This was a tank next to a civilian car. The audio recording suggests several pauses - a call with Layan, then one with Hind where there was a long enough pause in things that she reported she was aware the ambulance was getting close. Somebody waited before killing her.

The IDF knew Hind was in the car in that location, because they had that information as part of coordinating the ambulance response. It was known that the sole known surviving occupant of the car was a little girl.

The ambulance response had been coordinated with the IDF. IDF forces would either have known or been expected to have known that the ambulance was coming.

So, either the soldiers on the ground knew that there was a frightened, trapped child near them, with an authorised/coordinated ambulance on the way to retrieve her, and they chose to kill them all, or nobody bothered to share the information with the soldiers on the ground, knowing that there would be a likelihood of this outcome.

Both are horrible scenarios. Both are more likely than Hamas having the time, energy and interest to stage this.

EasterIssland · 10/02/2024 21:26

Scirocco · 10/02/2024 21:24

There's audio recording of Hind and her cousin Layan. It's pretty clear sounding from that, that it was IDF attacking, and that there was a considered element to what happened - this wasn't a case of a nervous soldier firing out of fear. This was a tank next to a civilian car. The audio recording suggests several pauses - a call with Layan, then one with Hind where there was a long enough pause in things that she reported she was aware the ambulance was getting close. Somebody waited before killing her.

The IDF knew Hind was in the car in that location, because they had that information as part of coordinating the ambulance response. It was known that the sole known surviving occupant of the car was a little girl.

The ambulance response had been coordinated with the IDF. IDF forces would either have known or been expected to have known that the ambulance was coming.

So, either the soldiers on the ground knew that there was a frightened, trapped child near them, with an authorised/coordinated ambulance on the way to retrieve her, and they chose to kill them all, or nobody bothered to share the information with the soldiers on the ground, knowing that there would be a likelihood of this outcome.

Both are horrible scenarios. Both are more likely than Hamas having the time, energy and interest to stage this.

Probably the tank was driven by a Hamas member … silly us not considering that @Scirocco remember “idf / Israel is trying to protect Palestinians lives” as we keep being told

Scirocco · 10/02/2024 21:31

Oh yes, @EasterIssland . The Hamas-driven Israeli tank that managed to stay in one place long enough to lure in an ambulance, while avoiding the actual IDF, in a combat zone where the IDF were aware of the location of a reported tank attack on a civilian vehicle to which a coordinated ambulance response was incoming. That Hamas tank. Silly me.

fleurneige · 10/02/2024 22:10

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 21:21

@fleurneige "Sadly the Israelis will too, and tragically, Jews all over the world."

Why will Jews all over the world 'have to pay'? They are not responsible for Israel's actions

I know. Just as the Palestinans children, women, innocents are not responsible for Hamas.

Because most of the world condemns Netanyahu and the IDF and identify with the plight of Palestinians. And some of them will blame Israel, and some will never forgive nor forget, and blame thos who supported Netanyahu and the IDF, for afar.

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 22:16

@fleurneige "Because most of the world condemns Netanyahu and the IDF and identify with the plight of Palestinians."

Really, you have proof of what 'most of the world' thinks??

" And some of them will blame Israel, "

maybe they will maybe they won't. Those with any sense will blame Hamas and applaud Israel for standing up to terrorism.

"and some will never forgive nor forget,"

That's their choice, not sure what you mean by that?

"and blame thos who supported Netanyahu and the IDF, for afar."

So what? Do you really think that Israel went into this war to win world approval? Really??

Februaryfeels · 10/02/2024 22:21

fleurneige · 10/02/2024 21:11

So I was right- Israel told Palestinians to leave to go to the South and be safe. And now most of the country has been destroyed, they want to be able to also destroy the South. So Palestinians are given the choice- be bombed where you are, with nowhere else to go. Or leave and go to Egypt (and they are not wanted there) - and have no right to return. So settlers, who are awaiting on the border, can move in and take over Gaza and rebuild.

Just sick, just ethnic cleansing aka genocide, just illegal and akin to massive war and human crime. Netanyahu has been waiting for this excuse since 1978- almost half a century.

He will eventually pay for those crimes. Sadly the Israelis will too, and tragically, Jews all over the world.

Why would Jews all over the world have to pay too

And it's absolutely not the same as equating Palestinians with Hamas. As Hamas governs Gaza then of course there's a connection there

My across the road Scottish neighbour who is Jewish, not so much

Humdingerydoo · 10/02/2024 22:24

I wasn't aware that tanks fired bullets. I thought they fired ammunition that was bigger than that.

Edited to add that I'm sorry Hind was killed, specially in such tragic and terrifying circumstances, being the only one left alive in that car for so long. I hope we eventually find out what actually happened so speculation can stop.

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 22:34

Humdingerydoo · 10/02/2024 22:24

I wasn't aware that tanks fired bullets. I thought they fired ammunition that was bigger than that.

Edited to add that I'm sorry Hind was killed, specially in such tragic and terrifying circumstances, being the only one left alive in that car for so long. I hope we eventually find out what actually happened so speculation can stop.

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"I wasn't aware that tanks fired bullets. I thought they fired ammunition that was bigger than that."

They don't fire bullets.

If the tank was next to the car it wouldn't be firing at the car, that would not serve any purpose.

More likely Hamas was firing at the tank and IDF was firing at Hamas and the car was, sadly, caught in the crossfire.

The IDF will no doubt debrief and get to the bottom of this, especially as they have body-cams.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 10/02/2024 23:00

fleurneige · 10/02/2024 21:04

WOW no words.

This is just getting SICK.

That has to be one of the more disturbing things I've read today! Some people will tell themselves anything

BackandForthRoundandRound · 10/02/2024 23:03

EasterIssland · 10/02/2024 21:26

Probably the tank was driven by a Hamas member … silly us not considering that @Scirocco remember “idf / Israel is trying to protect Palestinians lives” as we keep being told

Yes, didn't you know? Even the sheep they filmed themselves killing were not actual regular sheep, but Hamas Sheep.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 10/02/2024 23:08

fleurneige · 10/02/2024 21:11

So I was right- Israel told Palestinians to leave to go to the South and be safe. And now most of the country has been destroyed, they want to be able to also destroy the South. So Palestinians are given the choice- be bombed where you are, with nowhere else to go. Or leave and go to Egypt (and they are not wanted there) - and have no right to return. So settlers, who are awaiting on the border, can move in and take over Gaza and rebuild.

Just sick, just ethnic cleansing aka genocide, just illegal and akin to massive war and human crime. Netanyahu has been waiting for this excuse since 1978- almost half a century.

He will eventually pay for those crimes. Sadly the Israelis will too, and tragically, Jews all over the world.

Netanyahu will eventually have to answer for what he has done. One way or the other.

It is blatantly obvious that ethnic cleansing is what he is intending. Anyone who claims otherwise is only kidding themselves as they don't want to leave their comfortable little world inside their mind.

Toothyfruity · 10/02/2024 23:14

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 22:34

"I wasn't aware that tanks fired bullets. I thought they fired ammunition that was bigger than that."

They don't fire bullets.

If the tank was next to the car it wouldn't be firing at the car, that would not serve any purpose.

More likely Hamas was firing at the tank and IDF was firing at Hamas and the car was, sadly, caught in the crossfire.

The IDF will no doubt debrief and get to the bottom of this, especially as they have body-cams.

This post is outrageous, ridiculous and offensive. I can't believe what I'm reading.

BlueNetting · 10/02/2024 23:14

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Toothyfruity · 10/02/2024 23:16

Humdingerydoo · 10/02/2024 22:24

I wasn't aware that tanks fired bullets. I thought they fired ammunition that was bigger than that.

Edited to add that I'm sorry Hind was killed, specially in such tragic and terrifying circumstances, being the only one left alive in that car for so long. I hope we eventually find out what actually happened so speculation can stop.

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Everyone already knows what happened 🙄

Humdingerydoo · 10/02/2024 23:17

Toothyfruity · 10/02/2024 23:16

Everyone already knows what happened 🙄

Do they? How do they know that? I thought the only other people there were IDF soldiers? Are you saying they've confessed to it?

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 23:19

BackandForthRoundandRound · 10/02/2024 23:00

That has to be one of the more disturbing things I've read today! Some people will tell themselves anything

What is ???

Ladyjanegreysketle · 10/02/2024 23:20

Toothyfruity · 10/02/2024 23:16

Everyone already knows what happened 🙄

Really?

You've seen the IDF film/debrief have you?

Toothyfruity · 10/02/2024 23:20

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